Should this be a qualifying Comp?

[3offTheTee]

Our season has finished but in November we have a Turkey Trot and today was the first day!

It was a stablford, yellow tees, no preferred lies, all bunkers in play and no temporary greens. It was a proper organised comp with tee off times arranged before today with everything similar to our Comps during the summer.

I thought it should have been a qualifying comp but our 'Rules Guru' said no because it is a rolling competition throughout the month and no CSS could be determined.

Is he correct and if so what is the reason please?

Many thanks

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does your yellows have a SSS and a measured course ?

Each round can be deemed a qualifier on its own if the yellows has a SSS

 

[bladeplayer]

As you have to calculate an independent css every day of any comp I don't see any reasoning behind this at all

 

[3offTheTee]

Does your yellows have a SSS and a measured course ?

Each round can be deemed a qualifier on its own if the yellows has a SSS

Yes it does and it had not been reduced

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes it does and it had not been reduced

Then it should be a qualifier going by Congu regs

 

[Foxholer]

Our season has finished but in November we have a Turkey Trot and today was the first day!

It was a stablford, yellow tees, no preferred lies, all bunkers in play and no temporary greens. It was a proper organised comp with tee off times arranged before today with everything similar to our Comps during the summer.

I thought it should have been a qualifying comp but our 'Rules Guru' said no because it is a rolling competition throughout the month and no CSS could be determined.

Is he correct and if so what is the reason please?

Many thanks

If it's no, then it's probably another example of a Club deeming that their (qualifying) season is from April till mid October! It's something i have/would now ask before joining and reject any Club that don't have qualifiers all year round! Easier done by Southern or links courses.

 

[louise_a]

We have a 9 hole turkey shoot tomorrow, we are on lift and place but that should not stop it being a qualifier, however it isn't one.

 

[Old Skier]

We have a 9 hole turkey shoot tomorrow, we are on lift and place but that should not stop it being a qualifier, however it isn't one.

I presume the club has all the correct paperwork issued by CONGU

 

[3offTheTee]

If it's no, then it's probably another example of a Club deeming that their (qualifying) season is from April till mid October! It's something i have/would now ask before joining and reject any Club that don't have qualifiers all year round! Easier done by Southern or links courses.

Not really the case FH but appreciate your point. Think it is the case of what this 'rules guru' saying and nobody questioning him.

BTW he is a County referee which I know means very little.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have a 9 hole turkey shoot tomorrow, we are on lift and place but that should not stop it being a qualifier, however it isn't one.

Does the course have a 9 hole SSS set up on the HC software ?

 

[Colin L]

Not really the case FH but appreciate your point. Think it is the case of what this 'rules guru' saying and nobody questioning him.

BTW he is a County referee which I know means very little.

To be fair (which I doubt was your intention ), a referee can genuinely know little to nothing of handicapping matters as they do not form any part of his rules education or the exams he has passed. The Rules of Golf are not concerned with handicapping.

 

[louise_a]

Yes, we do have 9 hole qualifiers during the season, on reflection though, I believe we are playing lift and place through the green so I guess that would prevent it being a qualifier.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, we do have 9 hole qualifiers during the season, on reflection though, I believe we are playing lift and place through the green so I guess that would prevent it being a qualifier.

Yeah that would :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

To be fair (which I doubt was your intention ), a referee can genuinely know little to nothing of handicapping matters as they do not form any part of his rules education or the exams he has passed. The Rules of Golf are not concerned with handicapping.

Indeed, knowledge of The Rules is no guarantee of knowledge of Congu Handicapping procedures - as they are a completely different set of 'rules'! Though it's likely that someone who can become a County Referee would likely be capable of becoming an administrator of Congu procedures. He/She should, however, know that the first step is to look at what the rules state! And there is nothing that precludes comps of shortened courses - that have an SSS - being qualifiers and, imo (and I believe Congu's), every opportunity for a comp to be a qualifying one should be taken!

 

[Old Skier]

Yeah that would :thup:

Could you point me in the direction where it says this when you have a moment.

 

[rosecott]

Could you point me in the direction where it says this when you have a moment.

Clause 15 (3) of the CONGU manual spells it out that the following local rule should be in force:

~“A ball lying on a closely mown area through the green may be lifted without penalty and cleaned. Before lifting the ball, the player must mark its position. Having lifted the ball, he must place it on a spot within 6 inches [50mm] of and not nearer the hole than where it originally lay, that is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.

 

[Old Skier]

Clause 15 (3) of the CONGU manual spells it out that the following local rule should be in force:

~“A ball lying on a closely mown area through the green may be lifted without penalty and cleaned. Before lifting the ball, the player must mark its position. Having lifted the ball, he must place it on a spot within 6 inches [50mm] of and not nearer the hole than where it originally lay, that is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.

Got that thanks, it was more to do with what can or cannot be a qualifier.

 

[Colin L]

Got that thanks, it was more to do with what can or cannot be a qualifier.

Try Page 29 of the Congu Manual:

http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

 

[rosecott]

Got that thanks, it was more to do with what can or cannot be a qualifier.

Try Page 29 of the Congu Manual:

http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

What I quoted was referring to the conditions necessary for a competition to be a qualifier. If that is not the "preferred Lies" rule in force, then it cannot be a qualifier (i.e. not through the green).

PS - mine says Page 26.

 

[Fish]

We have a 9 hole turkey shoot tomorrow, we are on lift and place but that should not stop it being a qualifier, however it isn't one.

Yes, we do have 9 hole qualifiers during the season, on reflection though, I believe we are playing lift and place through the green so I guess that would prevent it being a qualifier.

Yeah that would :thup:

So which is it?

I'm pretty sure I played in a qualifying comp at a previous club with lift & place allowed, it may have been reductions only, is this where the confusion lies, or.....