should she be allowed back in the UK?

[Sweep]

I think this is all going to turn into a complete mess - just looking at the legal stand point and listening to a lawyer before a person is left stateless lots of things need to happen first - stuff that needs to happen with her face to face as well , she has to also have another nationality which she doesn’t and they have to seem she is a severe threat to National Security ie immediate threat and the country under attack - that’s not happening from her.

It seems like after reading what you can see from the letter this is a decision made solely by the Home Secretary and against what both MI6 and the Justice department , it all seems very hurried and emotive based on the public opinion and it’s very dangerous. Legally I don’t believe the Home Secretary can’t act like he just has done and this could be damaging and be counter productive.

The public will celebrate but imagine the reaction when it gets over turned because it’s not lawful

Signed Disappointed of Leighton Buzzard 😀
When I said you should have been a human rights lawyer I was joking. I didn’t realise you actually were one.😀
Not to worry. If her British Passport is no more, I am sure she can claim a Dutch one through hubby.

As I said, it all seems like a publicity stunt to me. Maybe it’s backfired. If she had kept quiet she would probably have been able to walk back in like the others.
That’s is, if she ever wanted to come back at all.

 

[Imurg]

Seems she has dual British/Bangladesh citizenship..........

 

[Deleted member 25172]

Lily me man, my knowledge on Sweedish politics is up there with birdies on our 18th, non existant. What's going wrong in what is in my view a liberal country.

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions” is a saying that fits in well to describe Sweden and its politics.

 

[Fade and Die]

Home Secretaries Letter: “If you in touch with your daughter...”
😁 they should have just sent it via Sky News or any of the other media that have been falling over themselves to interview her this past week.

True, and my money is on one of these snidey companies bundling her and the baby into the back of the 4x4 and dropping her off at the Turkish/Lebanese embassy. Just to keep the story going.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

Seems she has dual British/Bangladesh citizenship..........

Oh no! Isn’t that real shame should that be correct... 😔😔

🤪🤪🤪

 

[Tashyboy]

There's a video doing the rounds on Facebook of a female [ allegedly her ] cutting a man's throat while he's lying face down with his hands tied behind his back.

Hypothetically and I don't know the answer to this, if said video is of her. Wonder what the chances are of someone in the British government seen this and it has helped make there decision/ forced there hand. Hypothetically and again I don't know the answer to this. If the government had Said " here's your first class ticket to Blighty and a fast track through Heathrow so you don't have to queue for three hours ". They gonna look as thick as her if this video came to light.

 

[Tashyboy]

Seems she has dual British/Bangladesh citizenship..........

And that is how you get Tashyboy to buy you a pint, make him smile. 👍

 

[Hobbit]

I think this is all going to turn into a complete mess - just looking at the legal stand point and listening to a lawyer before a person is left stateless lots of things need to happen first - stuff that needs to happen with her face to face as well , she has to also have another nationality which she doesn’t and they have to seem she is a severe threat to National Security ie immediate threat and the country under attack - that’s not happening from her.

It seems like after reading what you can see from the letter this is a decision made solely by the Home Secretary and against what both MI6 and the Justice department , it all seems very hurried and emotive based on the public opinion and it’s very dangerous. Legally I don’t believe the Home Secretary can’t act like he just has done and this could be damaging and be counter productive.

The public will celebrate but imagine the reaction when it gets over turned because it’s not lawful

You might want to have a look at how someone becomes a Bangladeshi citizen. Looks like it is by birth, irrespective of where they are born, providing either both parents or the mother is Bangladeshi. Unless she has, previously, renounced it.

No doubt to there's still some mileage in it but its now up to her to appeal.

 

[road2ruin]

Hypothetically and I don't know the answer to this, if said video is of her. Wonder what the chances are of someone in the British government seen this and it has helped make there decision/ forced there hand. Hypothetically and again I don't know the answer to this. If the government had Said " here's your first class ticket to Blighty and a fast track through Heathrow so you don't have to queue for three hours ". They gonna look as thick as her if this video came to light.

Read a report on this doing the rounds today, apparently for everything else she may or may not have done it’s been proved that the person in the video was not her.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You might want to have a look at how someone becomes a Bangladeshi citizen. Looks like it is by birth, irrespective of where they are born, providing either both parents or the mother is Bangladeshi. Unless she has, previously, renounced it.

No doubt to there's still some mileage in it but its now up to her to appeal.

That post was done before anything was said or heard about her possibly being a Bangladeshi Citizen - if she is then job done , she can go there and they can deal with her situation. No doubt there will be an appeal but she won’t have been left stateless ( if she does indeed have citizenship with another country ) - lets just hope they have done the ground work

Reading this article - seems like this is going to run yet , family lawyer says she has no dual nationality and the move will leave her stateless but Home Office believes she can be because the possibility her mother has Bangladesh Citizenship


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....-shamima-begum-to-have-uk-citizenship-revoked

 

[Boabski]

Nope !!!

 

[Dibby]

Seems she has dual British/Bangladesh citizenship..........

Was wondering about this, and whether she may also have qualified for Dutch citizenship through her husband, which would give multiple avenues to removing British nationality.

People also shouldn't confuse having citizenship with exercising it. There are many people who qualify for multiple citizenships, but through lack of desire or awareness don't exercise more than 1 citizenship, but this does not mean they are not a citizen. You don't have to have a passport or official document from a nation to be a citizen of that nation, these things just help you to prove that citizenship.

 

[Blue in Munich]

As it would appear that she wasn’t aware that she had/has Bangladeshi citizenship, has apparently never been there and clearly has more connection to the UK, what is to stop the Bangladeshi authorities revoking her Bangladeshi citizenship and leaving her a UK citizen?

 

[USER1999]

Ok, why would Bangladesh want her, she has never been there. They will just love us trying to foist one of our own problems on to them.

If she ends up being dutch, she needs to get a wriggle on, and get here before Brexit, and then she can stay here anyway.

 

[Dibby]

Ok, why would Bangladesh want her, she has never been there. They will just love us trying to foist one of our own problems on to them.

If she ends up being dutch, she needs to get a wriggle on, and get here before Brexit, and then she can stay here anyway.

It's not about wanting her, it's about legal requirements. If Bangladesh really were that concerned though, they could have taken action to remove her citizenship before the UK did, forcing the UK's hand.
Although it's a possibility, realistically given that her Dutch husband was already wanted, it's unlikely she has Dutch citizenship. However, even if she did, the UK doesn't have to admit her.

What is an interesting question is when was the citizenship revoked? The letter is dated 19th, but what date are the official papers that would be enclosed? Are they before or after her sons birth? Is this timing intentional, to give the kid citizenship, but not the mother?

 

[Dibby]

As it would appear that she wasn’t aware that she had/has Bangladeshi citizenship, has apparently never been there and clearly has more connection to the UK, what is to stop the Bangladeshi authorities revoking her Bangladeshi citizenship and leaving her a UK citizen?

They would now have an issue doing that because unless she has some form of Dutch nationality through her husband (possible but unlikely) that would leave her stateless. However, if they had acted before the UK, then the situation would be reversed.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

As it would appear that she wasn’t aware that she had/has Bangladeshi citizenship, has apparently never been there and clearly has more connection to the UK, what is to stop the Bangladeshi authorities revoking her Bangladeshi citizenship and leaving her a UK citizen?

Pre-emptive strike. At the moment she could theoretically be a citizen of both. The UK can not leave her stateless so they remove her British citizenship leaving her with the Bangladeshi option. She may not want it but that covers the UK legally. Bangaladeshi law may allow her to become stateless so they may not offer her citizenship but at that point it wont matter to the UK govt, it has covered itself, it got in first.

What makes me uncomfortable about the above is that we are looking to pass this onto Bangladesh. Not really their issue, she was born and raised here, but we are dumping our problem onto them. They are meant to be our friends. Also, if she does go there are Bangladesh equipped to deal with her or can she move in and spread hate? It feels a bit of a hollow victory if things pan out as it looks.

 

[Tashyboy]

As it would appear that she wasn’t aware that she had/has Bangladeshi citizenship, has apparently never been there and clearly has more connection to the UK, what is to stop the Bangladeshi authorities revoking her Bangladeshi citizenship and leaving her a UK citizen?

But having a dual citizenship opens lots of doors, ie I am a UK citizen and can marry a Bangladeshi and bring him
" home". A situation I am sure the Bangladeshi government is happy with. A situation that the Bangladeshi government knows that goes off and allows. Why else would they let someone who has never even seen Bangladesh on a map never mind set foot on there soil allow a person to be a Bangladeshi. Especially when as is Custom in parts of Bangladesh, you have no say on who a Bangladeshi woman is marrying, eg a Bangladeshi man. Would imagine there bogged off coz she married a nice western man.

 

[SocketRocket]

Pre-emptive strike. At the moment she could theoretically be a citizen of both. The UK can not leave her stateless so they remove her British citizenship leaving her with the Bangladeshi option. She may not want it but that covers the UK legally. Bangaladeshi law may allow her to become stateless so they may not offer her citizenship but at that point it wont matter to the UK govt, it has covered itself, it got in first.

What makes me uncomfortable about the above is that we are looking to pass this onto Bangladesh. Not really their issue, she was born and raised here, but we are dumping our problem onto them. They are meant to be our friends. Also, if she does go there are Bangladesh equipped to deal with her or can she move in and spread hate? It feels a bit of a hollow victory if things pan out as it looks.

There are plenty of kindred folk in Bangladesh.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

What is an interesting question is when was the citizenship revoked? The letter is dated 19th, but what date are the official papers that would be enclosed? Are they before or after her sons birth? Is this timing intentional, to give the kid citizenship, but not the mother?

Apparently under Dutch law, children take the nationality of the father, ergo this child is Dutch.