should she be allowed back in the UK?

[Tashyboy]

I wonder how the families of those aid workers who were beheaded feel when they hear people say we should let her back in, sit down with her and her social worker, have a nice cup of tea and a chat and see if we can make her understand what a naughty girl she has been.
As all of us are lucky and have not been directly affected, maybe the acid test would be what we would rather say to the widows and families of one of those poor men. To their face, would you rather tell them we are going to let her back in and try to rehabilitate her back into society or tell them we are not going to let her anywhere near the UK and if that means breaking laws then so be it and if the law is wrong then we are going to change it?
I know what I would rather tell them. I am more interested in the welfare of the victims than the supporters of terrorists. I am amazed there are people who put the terrorists first, but there you go.
A governments first duty is to protect its people. They cannot let someone like this back in and claim they are fulfilling this duty.

But you See Sweep there in lies the problem, she saw heads in the bin and didn't give a toss. Because those heads were from soldiers and fighters who would of done terrible things to the ISIS women if ISIS Had lost the war, she states.
No they were not, not all of them. Some of them beheaded were innocent aid workers who were trying to take aid and food into a war zone to stop children from dying. Children like your two children that died. He/they died trying to save your children. Yet she shows no remorse. Cuppa tea and a slice of Battenburg with a social worker not a cat in hells chance

 

[Sweep]

People have talked about executing the girl -

And the thread is about the girl so people are going to talk about her and what to do with her and what happens with her - there have been many threads through the years of the affects of ISIS on people and there families

I don’t believe one single person is putting this girl before the victims and to suggest people are putting the terrorists first is poor - the governments first objective is to carry out the laws and use the justice system , by doing that they aren’t putting the needs of the terrorist first in any way shape or form

I haven’t talked of executing her. And in a time of war does the government debate new laws or prioritise defending the nation? It defends the nation because that is a governments first duty, to defend and protect its people. They cannot do that and allow her back.
And you see, by advocating taking her back and rehabilitating her and spending all this money on her, I think you are putting her before the victims of ISIS and I don’t think it’s a poor thing to say. Let’s not forget, it’s not just her we are talking about. There are hundreds of them.
Why should we have to take the risk? Why should we put more innocent lives in danger? Why should we invest all this time and effort and money on someone who shows not a scrap of remorse? It’s not a bottomless pit. Would you rather spend the money on her or the NHS or social care or schools? For that matter, would you rather give the money to the victims families to try and help them rebuild their lives?

I guess I was hoping that by trying to put each of us in the position of having to explain, face to face, our position to those who have suffered terribly at the hands of this woman’s organisation, it may make us think again. They are the ones who matter here. Not this woman and her ilk.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. Perhaps if we unleashed these rough men and they visited violence then we could all have a good nights sleep instead of reading golf forums at daft o’ clock in the morning.

 

[Smiffy]

19 and knocked up 3 times????
Hastings is calling.

 

[bobmac]

I stopped reading the posts on this thread once the repetition and the slagging off started.
Shame really.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But you See Sweep there in lies the problem, she saw heads in the bin and didn't give a toss. Because those heads were from soldiers and fighters who would of done terrible things to the ISIS women if ISIS Had lost the war, she states.
No they were not, not all of them. Some of them beheaded were innocent aid workers who were trying to take aid and food into a war zone to stop children from dying. Children like your two children that died. He/they died trying to save your children. Yet she shows no remorse. Cuppa tea and a slice of Battenburg with a social worker not a cat in hells chance

I expect the other posters to embelish posts to try and demean what they post but i didnt expect you to carry it on - really poor when someone clearly hasnt said something then posters try and twist things

I haven’t talked of executing her. And in a time of war does the government debate new laws or prioritise defending the nation? It defends the nation because that is a governments first duty, to defend and protect its people. They cannot do that and allow her back.

Im not sure you can call the country " in a time of war" - but there are already rules in place. I dont think you are in a position to "state" that allowing her to enter the country ( her right as a British National ) will not protect the country.

And you see, by advocating taking her back and rehabilitating her and spending all this money on her, I think you are putting her before the victims of ISIS and I don’t think it’s a poor thing to say. Let’s not forget, it’s not just her we are talking about. There are hundreds of them.

Of course its a poor thing to suggest - not one person has put the terrorist first and its disrespectful to suggest - what people are suggesting is she is a British National and as such can return but then allow our Justice System to deal with her.

Why should we have to take the risk? Why should we put more innocent lives in danger? Why should we invest all this time and effort and money on someone who shows not a scrap of remorse? It’s not a bottomless pit. Would you rather spend the money on her or the NHS or social care or schools? For that matter, would you rather give the money to the victims families to try and help them rebuild their lives?

The country over the decades has rehabed murderers , child killers and terrorists - people have been given the chance to change and make amends - its part of the fabric of our society. Why would we stop ? Do people not get a chance to redeam themselves ? a chance to put things right and in this case give her unborn child a chance in the world

I guess I was hoping that by trying to put each of us in the position of having to explain, face to face, our position to those who have suffered terribly at the hands of this woman’s organisation, it may make us think again. They are the ones who matter here. Not this woman and her ilk.

 

[Parsaregood]

I expect the other posters to embelish posts to try and demean what they post but i didnt expect you to carry it on - really poor when someone clearly hasnt said something then posters try and twist things



Im not sure you can call the country " in a time of war" - but there are already rules in place. I dont think you are in a position to "state" that allowing her to enter the country ( her right as a British National ) will not protect the country.


Of course its a poor thing to suggest - not one person has put the terrorist first and its disrespectful to suggest - what people are suggesting is she is a British National and as such can return but then allow our Justice System to deal with her.


The country over the decades has rehabed murderers , child killers and terrorists - people have been given the chance to change and make amends - its part of the fabric of our society. Why would we stop ? Do people not get a chance to redeam themselves ? a chance to put things right and in this case give her unborn child a chance in the world

Why not let her join your club and you can have tea, play a few rounds and you can play a part in her rehabilitation?

 

[Dando]

Why not let her join your club and you can have tea, play a few rounds and you can play a part in her rehabilitation?

I bet most of those saying let it back in are nimby’s

 

[2blue]

WOW...… just how did we not need that "Are you Right Wing" Thread of a month or so ago..... this is just so revealing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why not let her join your club and you can have tea, play a few rounds and you can play a part in her rehabilitation?

What exactly do you think that adds to the thread ? It’s just a snidey comment that doesn’t enhance the debate - it’s not an opinion is just a pathetic statement isn’t it - something you would expect from a child

 

[Parsaregood]

What exactly do you think that adds to the thread ? It’s just a snidey comment that doesn’t enhance the debate - it’s not an opinion is just a pathetic statement isn’t it - something you would expect from a child

That's the view you are literally taking on this, she was a child at the time of leaving, she didn't know what she was doing really, let's all give her a hug and tell her it will be ok. Until the next time

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's the view you are literally taking on this, she was a child at the time of leaving, she didn't know what she was doing really, let's all give her a hug and tell her it will be ok. Until the next time

No I haven’t- unless you can show something different

My view has been the same throughout - she is a British National so right now by law she can enter the country and when she does it’s then up to the authorities to decide what happens with her. The country is bound by international law and our own justice system.

 

[Parsaregood]

You suggested sitting down with a social worker for a cup of tea

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Can we stop the petty bickering and point scoring please

Thank you

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You suggested sitting down with a social worker for a cup of tea

No I didn’t - other people have manipulated what I posted to suggest I said that but maybe you should actually go and read what I said.

I actually said IF she comes back she will need to sit down with the security services and a social worker ( because she is pregnant ) to assess her frame of mind and situation and then they can assess if she is a threat to society and indeed her unborn baby ( who is an innocent party ) and that post was in response to you as well.

 

[Parsaregood]

Terrorism merits capital punishment, it is in the same boat as peadophiles, child killers etc. No sympathy or empathy should be given, her child is as much Dutch as anything. Also if born in Syria it can claim Syrian nationality.

 

[Kellfire]

Terrorism merits capital punishment, it is in the same boat as peadofiles, child killers etc. No sympathy or empathy should be given, her child is as much Dutch as anything. Also if born in Syria it can claim Syrian nationality.

It’s good that you have no power to affect government policy.

 

[Parsaregood]

It’s good that you have no power to affect government policy.

Really, so you don't think these crimes are worthy of that. That's great but plenty think these are the worst kind and pretty unforgivable

 

[Kellfire]

Really, so you don't think these crimes are worthy of that. That's great but plenty think these are the worst kind and pretty unforgivable

I don’t think capital punishment is ever the right thing to do because clearly, if we want to call ourselves civilised, it isn’t.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Really, so you don't think these crimes are worthy of that. That's great but plenty think these are the worst kind and pretty unforgivable

The death penalty is an all together different subject and has been discussed many times

It doesn’t act as a deterrent , you can’t take it back and innocent people have been killed by death penalty , it’s not humane in any way , it’s vengence not justice , I think the cost is more as well.

As a punishment more and more are stopping it - there is no place for it in a civilised country

But as said it’s a totally different discussion.