should she be allowed back in the UK?

[Deleted member 15344]

As much as it is a forum, and it will not change the law. It might well change people's opinions, if like me you sit on the fence at times and try to have an open mind. That said re changing the law. Someone has started one of those online petitions where you get 100,000 signatures and it is discussed in Parliment. The petition is along the lines of, if you leave the country to join ISIS, you are not allowed back in the UK. Will it change anything, I don't know, but it will be discussed. It may well be the law to allow her back, but it is an emotive subject, one in which some people think that she has made her bed and she should now lay in it.
Watch this space.

Unfortunately it’s international law where you can’t leave someone stateless - if she hadn’t dual nationality then one could be removed etc - Justice Secretary confirms

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ts-uk-cannot-make-is-bride-stateless-11638943

As with most of the petitions they will bring it up and then it will be down to the law -

We have terrorists in prison already , ones that have killed people - she will follow the same path of justice if she manages to get back because the government rightly aren’t going to get her back.

Edit - the government have responded to the Petition


The Government’s priority is to do everything we can to help keep our country safe, including managing the risk posed by those who have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq and may be linked to terrorist organisations.

UK nationals have the right to return to the country, but anyone who does return from taking part in the conflict in Syria or Iraq will be investigated by the police and prosecuted where there is evidence that they have committed criminal offences.

The Home Secretary has the power to remove or ‘deprive’ a British national’s citizenship and stop them from returning to the UK if they hold or are eligible to hold another nationality and if he assesses that individual’s presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good. This may only happen if the person would not be left stateless as a result. This power has been used against those who travelled to fight overseas. Non-UK nationals can be excluded from the country.

Where it is not possible to deprive an individual of their British nationality, a range of powers are available to protect national security.

There have already been several successful prosecutions for those who have returned from Syria. This includes the minimum of 40 years for Khalid Ali who was sentenced earlier this year for planning a terrorist attack in Westminster.

In addition to seeking prosecution of terrorism suspects we use a range of tools to manage the threat posed. We impose travel restrictions for individuals subject to Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures, and require those individuals who return to the UK subject to a Temporary Exclusion Order, to report to a police station regularly.

Home Office

 

[Swinglowandslow]

People have been found guilty and have had the death penalty - they have then been found to be innocent , so innocent men have been wrongly killed by tbe authorities- it’s part of the reason why it was removed



The death penalty is not a deterrent - countries still have the death penalty including plenty of US states - yet they still have murders and killings etc etc

It doesn’t work as a deterrent.

Of course it is a deterrent.
Because although murders do continue in all countries, you are not able to deny the strong likelihood that those with the the death penalty would have had more murders had there been no severe , ultimate punishment.
No one can say, like you are saying, that no one has been deterred.

And lastly, the death penalty sure as hell stopped the ones executed from killing again.
How would you explain to the loved ones of victims of those killers who have been released and then killed again?
Just say, " Ah, well, it's a risk Society has to take so that we can be called civilised "

 

[Old Skier]

Apparently because she's pregnant.

If she's nine months it will have popped out well before she gets near these shores.

 

[Blue in Munich]

So on the one hand the 'defenders' would allow her return because at 15/16 she was no a "child" yet politicians want to give 16 years old the vote.

She was mature enough to fund and make the trip there, if she can get to the UK then the law should take its course.

Re your first point I don't think anyone on here has accused politicians of being overly bright.

Re the second, did she fund the trip herself or was she assisted by ISIS?

 

[Kellfire]

Rubbish. It doesn't have to be like it was, i.e. All convicted of murder should be executed OR none who are convicted of murder should be.
Capital punishment should be available to English law so that the most heinous and certain offenders can be removed never to offend again.
As for miscarriages of justice, the Judge has material of the case never seen in open court , certainly not by the jury, and he will know if there is a smidgeon or not of doubt. He then decides which sentence to impose.

But knowing that the worst that will happen to you for killing someone, is a nice comfy cell with amenities and ( unbelievably) better and quicker medical care than ordinary citizens, ( you don't wait three weeks in jail to see a doctor), is resulting in what we see now on city streets.
Killing after killing, going on and on.
All because of bleeding hearts worrying about the villains. And being
"civilised "

I’m really sorry that you’re so evil and twisted that you think inflicting suffering on others is ok. I only hope that your twisted views haven’t caused harm to someone else.

 

[Dando]

I’m really sorry that you’re so evil and twisted that you think inflicting suffering on others is ok. I only hope that your twisted views haven’t caused harm to someone else.

Are you for real or are you taking the piss

 

[Hobbit]

Re your first point I don't think anyone on here has accused politicians of being overly bright.

Re the second, did she fund the trip herself or was she assisted by ISIS?

The trip was funded by one of the 3 stealing jewellery and selling it. Not sure which on of the 3 did the stealing.

 

[Dando]

The trip was funded by one of the 3 stealing jewellery and selling it. Not sure which on of the 3 did the stealing.

And she travelled on her sisters passport then crossed into Syria illegally

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The trip was funded by one of the 3 stealing jewellery and selling it. Not sure which on of the 3 did the stealing.

is this true or just media crap?

 

[bluewolf]

is this true or just media crap?

Who cares. Lynch her................

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Who cares. Lynch her................

Me, i like a bit of tom, not Elizabeth Duke, the real gear.

As for lynching her, before or after the birth?

 

[SocketRocket]

I’m really sorry that you’re so evil and twisted that you think inflicting suffering on others is ok. I only hope that your twisted views haven’t caused harm to someone else.

Was that directed to him or thr ISIS girl, or both.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

The Government really have a chance here to prove themselves to the country. "No you are not coming back because you are part of a murderous bunch of terrorists" - dare Corbyn and his apologists to side with them or face public humiliation. If the population was polled, it would be about 98% in favour of keeping her out.

If legal reasons mean they can't then they have the fall back of having tried everything they could. Then pursue her to the full extent of the law so she is locked up for years and years. She will quickly be forgotten.

This is just media hype now.

 

[Smiffy]

If she's nine months it will have popped out well before she gets near these shores.

But based on previous form she is likely to be pregnant again by the time she reaches Dover

 

[Kellfire]

But based on previous form she is likely to be pregnant again by the time she reaches Dover

You really should try to hide your judgement slightly. Just a little bit.

 

[Kellfire]

Was that directed to him or thr ISIS girl, or both.

Him, as I doubt she reads this forum...

 

[Smiffy]

You really should try to hide your judgement slightly. Just a little bit.

Why????

 

[Dando]

Just seen an interview with the family lawyer. If I said what I really feel then the forum police would ban me forever!

 

[Old Skier]

Its about time that the media stopped reporting on this case. All the outlets seem to want to give this oxygen thief the notoriety she craves.

 

[User62651]

Re the kids she's been married 3 times as each husband died in turn, I doubt she had much say in that mothering side, female role in ISIS was subservient domesticity.

What she did have control over was believing propaganda and going out there the first place. She clearly has no regrets over that, said she was happy until recently when defeat has come.

What is a bit stupid on her behalf, if wanting to come back to the UK, is not showing some remorse (even if faked) and saying the right things to the press to try and get onside with people here, she's failing miserably at that and doesn't seem to see that, maybe she's a bit dim?

From her responses seems if another IS type caliphate came into being in the future she's be straight off back out there again. Her beliefs are as strong as ever.

Bad situation for UK, we will have to take her (and her innocent kid) back, then spend a fortune on policing/protection for her. Can't see any other 'realistic' course of action.