Should any man be given more than one shot per hole?

[Doc]

Following on from Ash's post on the shoe colour thread.

Should 18 be the maximum men's handicap?

If so, why?

Over to you Ash

Cheers

Steve...

 

[USER1999]

The question is, why 28? I mean 18 or 36 make sense, but one shot a hole, plus ten more? Why not 9 more?

 

[Grumps]

Why should you only get an 18 max handicap ?
It just limits the chance of anyone enjoying the winning feeling .
Not everyone can be naturals at the game and start hitting low scores this game is for everyone to enjoy not just the single handicappers

 

[ash01]

Following on from Ash's post on the shoe colour thread.

Should 18 be the maximum men's handicap?

If so, why?

Over to you Ash

Cheers

Steve...

Top stuff Doc.

I'll start off with......

18 stroke indexes based upon difficulty so 18 shots available.

Ash!!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I actually think the guy is a bit of a plum. I wouldn't want to play with him if I were 18+ (only a matter of time) and he refused to give me my full entitlement when clearly I'm not as good as he is. Perhaps he's another like Bob who has been beaten in a match of full difference and has "issues"

 

[NWJocko]

I agree with Murph in that 28 seems an odd number, anyone know why that is the maximum?

I have no problem with people playing with +18 handicaps and getting 2 shots on some holes. If that is their ability why shouldn't they have a handicap commensurate with that?

I also think it would discourage people from a) joining clubs and b) entering competitions which wouldn't be a good thing for any club I wouldn't have thought.

Ash - I assume you are a low handicapper? I know there are some low handicappers who have a bit of an elitist attitude when it comes towards handicaps.....

 

[ash01]

I actually think the guy is a bit of a plum. I wouldn't want to play with him if I were 18+ (only a matter of time) and he refused to give me my full entitlement when clearly I'm not as good as he is. Perhaps he's another like Bob who has been beaten in a match of full difference and has "issues"

I was joking in the previous thread when I mentioned that I wouldn't give away more than 18 shots.

Thanks for your analysis though.

I have been beaten in full difference many times and its not an issue to me, nor do I have issues.

This is a discussion on the topic, its not personal.

Ash!!

 

[Doc]

The question is, why 28? I mean 18 or 36 make sense, but one shot a hole, plus ten more? Why not 9 more?

I agree, 28 does seem a strange number and seems to be the accepted norm in the Uk for a basic level of golfing proficiency to allow folk to play in competition at a reasonable pace without detracting too much from other peoples enjoyment.

Top stuff Doc.

I'll start off with......

18 stroke indexes based upon difficulty so 18 shots available.

Ash!!

A max hcp of 18 would appear to exclude a significant proportion of gofers from a level playing field no?

Why not just scrap the handicap system altogether?

Maybe because golf would cease to be an enjoyable and equitable sport for millions of golfers and the sport would die out?

Cheers

Steve...

 

[USER1999]

May be it is 28 because on an average par 72 that is 100 shots?

But why 36 for ladies then?

Puzzles the heck out of me.

Especially since Germany and turkey seem to have 48 handicappers.

 

[ash01]

I agree with Murph in that 28 seems an odd number, anyone know why that is the maximum?

I have no problem with people playing with +18 handicaps and getting 2 shots on some holes. If that is their ability why shouldn't they have a handicap commensurate with that?

I also think it would discourage people from a) joining clubs and b) entering competitions which wouldn't be a good thing for any club I wouldn't have thought.

Ash - I assume you are a low handicapper? I know there are some low handicappers who have a bit of an elitist attitude when it comes towards handicaps.....

I can assure you I am the least elitist golfer you could come across.

I simply mentioned stupidly in another thread that I found it hilarious of 1+ shots per hole, where I apologised and rephrased it to odd.

I regularly play with high handicappers (18-24) and enjoy the rounds with them, sometimes they get turned over as they can seriously have a mare and vice versa as I get less room for error (1).

I am probably coming across as elitist though, which I definitely do not intend.

Ash!!

 

[Imurg]

I assume that par on a lot of courses is 72.
Having a handicap of 28 means you can shoot 100

That's the only reason I can think of.

And it's often a cry you hear on a Friday around Aylesbury Park when Fragger claims a "7 for 1" on a par 4 (SI 3)...

Another cry is " No Man should get a shot on a Par 3 less then 150 yards long".........

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I think people should be allowed to play off of more than 18 but when playing stableford, a par should never be worth more than 3 points.

 

[Doc]

I think people should be allowed to play off of more than 18 but when playing stableford, a par should never be worth more than 3 points.

So 28 max when playing medal but 18 max when playing stableford?

That would mean that under the extra pressure of medal when every shot counts the lesser player would have that buffer and when a bad hole is less damaging the points cap reflects good play and not good luck (which most of my four pointers are)

Do you propose your three point cap apply for golfers of all handicaps Hawkeye?

Cheers

Steve...

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think what is fair, if a 28 handicapper is playing someone who is a low handicapper, say off 1, is that they only get 3/4 of the difference if it is matchplay.

If stableford or stroke play, full difference is ok, but not for matchplay.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Many moons ago it was 24, why it went to 28 gawd only knows? If you need that many strokes to achieve nett par why not.

 

[G1BB0]

I would happily be off 18 if that was the max h/c, looks better than 28, I would be absolute last in every comp though so would end up either not bothering to enter or becoming a nomad, whats the point in having a h/c I wont be able to play too for possibly a year or 2 or maybe never

 

[Scouser]

If i ever play at a GM meet would it be wrong of me to ask for 3 shots a hole???

 

[Doc]

I think what is fair, if a 28 handicapper is playing someone who is a low handicapper, say off 1, is that they only get 3/4 of the difference if it is matchplay.

If stableford or stroke play, full difference is ok, but not for matchplay.

That discussion merits it's own thread altogether I think.

Although I believ its been studied by the R & A and proved to be a falsehood.

Cheers

Steve...

 

[stevie_r]

I think people should be allowed to play off of more than 18 but when playing stableford, a par should never be worth more than 3 points.

Bit self-contradictory there mate

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So 28 max when playing medal but 18 max when playing stableford?

That would mean that under the extra pressure of medal when every shot counts the lesser player would have that buffer and when a bad hole is less damaging the points cap reflects good play and not good luck (which most of my four pointers are)

Do you propose your three point cap apply for golfers of all handicaps Hawkeye?

Cheers

Steve...

HaHa thought that might get a reaction It was a bit tongue in cheek to be honest