Shot 70 but DQ'ed and given a score of 106

[Neilglover5]

It does not matter what is in the terms of competition at your club, interpretation 3.3b(2)/1 makes it very cear that you cannot be disqualified for failing to enter your score into an eletronic devise.



3.3b(2)/1 Players Are Required to Enter Only Scores on a Scorecard


There is a difference between requiring players to enter a score for a round into a computer (such as for handicapping purposes) and being required to enter hole scores using an electronic form of scorecard approved by the Committee (such as a mobile scoring application).
The Committee may require players to use a scorecard other than a paper scorecard (such as an electronic form of scorecard), but the Committee has no authority to impose a penalty under Rule 3.3b(2) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.
However, to help in administrative matters (such as the efficient production and communication of competition results), a Committee may apply a penalty under a Code of Conduct (Rule 1.2b) or provide disciplinary sanctions (such as revoking entry into the next competition) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.

This is absolutely correct, we ask our players to submit their scores electronically by howdidido app/psi but they must retain their card for at least a week. Should a player fail to return their score by electronic means we chase them up, and they have 24 hrs to return a copy of the original card, only if they fail to respond and return their score can they be DQ’d as they have failed to meet our definition of returning their score to the committee iaw our T&Cs. There is absolutely no need for physical cards being returned to a box under the whs.

 

[Colin L]

To be clear again, 3.3b(2)/1 does not say that the committee cannot DQ for failing to enter scores in an electronic device. It says that you can have one form of scorecard. Whether a paper or electronic card is used, you cannot DQ for a failure additionally to return your score in the other. For a long time now, the norm has been a physical card with additionally a requirement to enter your score in a computer terminal in which case you can be disqualified for failing to return the physical card but not for failing to enter your score in the terminal. Now we're moving more to electronic recording and if an electronic scorecard is the required method of returning your score, then you could be disqualified for failing to return your score in that way but not for failing to return a physical card if that was also asked for.

In practical terms, it does not seem wise to rely as yet entirely on electronic scorecards and some back-up arrangement such as Neil describes above makes sense. At my own club, the procedure is similar. Return your score by app or through the clubhouse terminal but if that fails, put a physical card in the box. Immediately to DQ for failing to return a score electronically shows a greater confidence in the system than seems sensible or reasonable at this stage.

 

[Neilglover5]

At our club we have hundreds of casual scores a month and at least a dozen competitions, that is a lot of cards for volunteers to Wade through every day!! Under whs it is no longer viable for volunteers who are giving up their own time to do this anymore, electronic HAS to be the way ahead.

The service providers need to get their software fully compliant in order to allow us to go fully electronic. Some previous comments in this thread elude to/explain this.

Presently, the club V1 psi has no method of marker certification of scores, but their app does allow a player to identify their marker who is certifying their score. That is an issue that prevents us going to a fully electronic scorecard as some older members do not have a smartphone and continue to use the psi rather than the app. As such the committee has to have an alternative method to enable checking and verification of scores if required, and also chase any missed scores which have not been input electronically. Hence why we insist on player filling in a physical card (properly) and retaining it until a competition is closed or their casual round is accepted and is in their handicap record. We say a week as that allows any challenges from “peer review” when results are published etc.

Our method is working fine and we have had no major issues, there is some chasing to do if a player forgets to input their score but processes are in place iaw T&Cs to deal with those situations.

 

[Banchory Buddha]

At our club we have hundreds of casual scores a month and at least a dozen competitions, that is a lot of cards for volunteers to Wade through every day!! Under whs it is no longer viable for volunteers who are giving up their own time to do this anymore, electronic HAS to be the way ahead.

Why has WHS changed anything? You fill in a card, sign it, and enter into the computer surely? That's exactly as before. If your club makes the h'cap sec (or whoever) upload them, then that's what needs addressed, we haven't done that since the advent of HDID many years ago.

 

[Neilglover5]

Why has WHS changed anything? You fill in a card, sign it, and enter into the computer surely? That's exactly as before. If your club makes the h'cap sec (or whoever) upload them, then that's what needs addressed, we haven't done that since the advent of HDID many years ago.

WHS has changed a lot of things, including the handicap secretary’s/team responsibilities e.g application of penalty scores, competition DQs are no longer directly linked to a 0.1 handicap increase, DQ’d scores are can still be
Eligible for handicap dependent upon why Dq has been applied, Min 10 holes played means score is eligible for handicap, there is no such thing as a NR anymore etc etc etc.

Under uhs there were very few if any supplementary scores submitted at our club. Under whs we get hundreds of causal scores for handicap purposes every month, these have to be dealt with in the same way as a competition card - noting this may not be happening at all clubs.
The issue for us is not about the process (fill in your card, submit score in psi/app, return card to box, yes that is simple) the issue is when one single pre-registered score is not returned on the psi/app, the handicap team have to trawl through all the cards to try and find the missing score as it’s the handicap teams responsibility to find that score before applying a penalty score! Hence, we have changed our T&Cs so our players retain their card (rather than box) and we simple send an email to them so they can supply it, it is easier all round for both the player and the committee. It works well and we have very few issues or need to apply a penalty score.

 

[rulefan]

Under uhs there were very few if any supplementary scores submitted at our club. Under whs we get hundreds of causal scores for handicap purposes every month,.

This seems to be fairly common.

Has anyone any thoughts about why?
Are players thinking they have to put all scores in now?

 

[Banchory Buddha]

This seems to be fairly common.

Has anyone any thoughts about why?
Are players thinking they have to put all scores in now?

We get about one a week, local hearsay seems to be that very few clubs (in Aberdeenshire) are seeing many GP scores at all.

 

[Swango1980]

This seems to be fairly common.

Has anyone any thoughts about why?
Are players thinking they have to put all scores in now?

Some think that every score needs to be submitted (even some Committees it seems).

However, I'd imagine the primary reason is that it is so simple for players to submit scores now. They sign in, then enter score, without every having to go through Committee. They don't even have to worry about filling in a card properly and having it signed (unless clubs are very much on top of this), just type in scores on phone, job done.

 

[nickjdavis]

However, I'd imagine the primary reason is that it is so simple for players to submit scores now. They sign in, then enter score, without every having to go through Committee. They don't even have to worry about filling in a card properly and having it signed (unless clubs are very much on top of this), just type in scores on phone, job done.

I'd agree with this....maybe the app has resulted in greater visibility of the "process" and the fact that players can see their index change almost in "real-time" has generated a demand that wasn't previously there under the old system where a supplementary card might not be processed for two or three days after the round was played.

We had an enquiry from four guys at our club who are off on a weeks golf to Scotland shortly....wanting to know how they got their scores in to the system because they couldn't find the Scottish courses they were planning to play listed on the MyEG app....this would never have happened previously.....in fact there was a reasonable amount of "general resistance" three or four years ago (maybe it was even longer!!) when players were asked to report any away betterball/society scores in a book at the clubhouse so they could be used as part of the annual review process.