Sharapova

[Deleted member 15344]

The key issue to me is the reason for its use. If it's purely a genuine medical use then no problem. If it's to enhance performance then you are a drug cheat

Some people say bananas give off slow release energy properties and help enhance endurance athletes performance- are they drug cheats for using them ?

Isotonic drinks , energy tablets even water boosts performance

 

[Val]

Surely that means by definition that no PED's are acceptable.

That would be up to the WADA i guess

 

[Fish]

You cannot be a drugs cheat if you are using performance enhancing drugs that aren't banned. Thats not cheating, it's using all the tools available to make you better.

Well I think that's ethically wrong Martin and takes away all the work and commitment from natural raw talent.

Liverproofphil has constantly gone on about winning at all costs in football has ruined it and it being wrong, so what makes this any different?

 

[Fish]

It was acceptable to her and her team as it was not banned. It was also acceptable to the tennis authorities up to the beginning of this year. I repeat I have not said if that is acceptable or not to me, so don't put words into my mouth.

I'm not, it's how it read to me

 

[Robobum]

Every top level professional athlete rattles when they walk due to the cocktail of supplements they take, designed to enhance and maximise their physical performance. They aren't cheating

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well I think that's ethically wrong Martin and takes away all the work and commitment from natural raw talent.

Liverproofphil has constantly gone on about winning at all costs in football has ruined it and it being wrong, so what makes this any different?

Shall we keep the petty name calling out of thread.

 

[chrisd]

Some people say bananas give off slow release energy properties and help enhance endurance athletes performance- are they drug cheats for using them ?

Isotonic drinks , energy tablets even water boosts performance

I don't recall bananas being on the banned drugs list and it probably wouldn't be good sports preparation to avoid ever eating the best food prior to an event., shooting a needle full of a so far, undiscovered, cocktails of drugs prior is just possibly against the ideology of sport.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Several fruits have performance enhancing benefits. Does this make me a golf and cycling cheat?

Plus shakes and protein supplements - whole shops full of items that can used to enhance someone's performance

 

[Fish]

Shall we keep the petty name calling out of thread.

I don't see it any different to you saying Maureen for Jose or Brenda etc, its a username not a real name so.....NO!

 

[Val]

Well I think that's ethically wrong Martin and takes away all the work and commitment from natural raw talent.

Liverproofphil has constantly gone on about winning at all costs in football has ruined it and it being wrong, so what makes this any different?

All about opinions bud. Ethics and rules are 2 different things in many instances and can be totally contradictory. Im sure we've all seen or heard of instances on the golf course.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't recall bananas being on the banned drugs list and it probably wouldn't be good sports preparation to avoid ever eating the best food prior to an event., shooting a needle full of a so far, undiscovered, cocktails of drugs prior is just possibly against the ideology of sport.

There are plenty of supplements available for athletes to purchase that help their performance - including cocktails of proteins and drugs but are not banned - it's not cheating to use them

 

[Fish]

All about opinions bud. Ethics and rules are 2 different things in many instances and can be totally contradictory. Im sure we've all seen or heard of instances on the golf course.

I've not, I've led a sheltered life :smirk:

 

[Val]

I've not, I've led a sheltered life :smirk:

Liar :rofl:

 

[chrisd]

Every top level professional athlete rattles when they walk due to the cocktail of supplements they take, designed to enhance and maximise their physical performance. They aren't cheating

If everyone is taking legal supplements that are approved I don't think anyone has a problem. The argument is against those taking substances that, if it were known that they were performance enhancing to the extent they would be placed in the banned list then, that for me, would constitute cheating. New drugs are produced every year that are undetectable until the authorities find ways to do so, takings them because the user won't get caught is cheating in my book

 

[larmen]

If everyone is taking legal supplements that are approved I don't think anyone has a problem. The argument is against those taking substances that, if it were known that they were performance enhancing to the extent they would be placed in the banned list then, that for me, would constitute cheating. New drugs are produced every year that are undetectable until the authorities find ways to do so, takings them because the user won't get caught is cheating in my book

How does that actually work? Before people were busted with EPO, was it on the list? It quickly got replaced with CERA. How to ban people using something which WADA doesn't know exist?

 

[chrisd]

There are plenty of supplements available for athletes to purchase that help their performance - including cocktails of proteins and drugs but are not banned - it's not cheating to use them

I don't disagree, if the authorities know of them and don't ban them then it no problem. But let's say a chemist produced a drug that could make Ussain Bolt trun 3 seconds faster over 100m, are you saying it's alright for him to use it because it's not banned?

 

[richart]

If everyone is taking legal supplements that are approved I don't think anyone has a problem. The argument is against those taking substances that, if it were known that they were performance enhancing to the extent they would be placed in the banned list then, that for me, would constitute cheating. New drugs are produced every year that are undetectable until the authorities find ways to do so, takings them because the user won't get caught is cheating in my book

This drug has been around for at least ten years. Plenty of time for it to be picked up as performance enhancing. Is it banned in other sports, or was it just tennis that allowed it ? Perhaps it is to do with the problems with doping in Russian atheletics, and it was only picked up last year ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If everyone is taking legal supplements that are approved I don't think anyone has a problem. The argument is against those taking substances that, if it were known that they were performance enhancing to the extent they would be placed in the banned list then, that for me, would constitute cheating. New drugs are produced every year that are undetectable until the authorities find ways to do so, takings them because the user won't get caught is cheating in my book

If they are using something that is not illegal or banned it's not cheating - it's using methods available to everyone to enhance your performance. If after investigation WADA decide to ban something then someone would be cheating

 

[chrisd]

How does that actually work? Before people were busted with EPO, was it on the list? It quickly got replaced with CERA. How to ban people using something which WADA doesn't know exist?

You can't ban them if you don't know but I'm just of the opinion it doesn't make it right to use it until it's banned. Don't the authorities also recheck old samples for new banned drugs and take away records and medals retrospectively?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't disagree, if the authorities know of them and don't ban them then it no problem. But let's say a chemist produced a drug that could make Ussain Bolt trun 3 seconds faster over 100m, are you saying it's alright for him to use it because it's not banned?

Yes it's ok to use it until it's banned.