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[HomerJSimpson]

I'm sorry but what is the relevant to that post apart from to antagonise someone

Terrible when it happens. You'd never stoop so low of course :thup::ears::cheers::rofl:

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Well, they aren't exactly all vegetarians and fruit juice lovers.

No they aren't. they do however have a huge number of test failed athletes and a complicit drugs testing system. So many of their athletes taking this drug, so many failed tests it's not that hard to figure out.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Ethan, I think many of your posts on this are bang on the money especially the one where you suggested what she should have said.

I believe she was advised this drug would help her performance but I'm unsure if she has any sort of condition mild or otherwise where this drug may have been useful. One way or another I do believe she used it to seek to gain an advantage when it was legal BUT now has made a fatal error in timing.

Lots to run on this, it appears her sponsors are sceptical on her response given their reactions today

To be fair didn't the sponsors dump Woods sharpish too. Common thing to do and while it doesn't prove any sort of guilt at all they clearly feel there's more to this than has been revealed so far

 

[bluewolf]

I don't honestly know - instinct maybe , get a feeling perhaps , maybe look at history. I'm not sure if there is a set standard

For example if this was a runner for example then I would struggle to trust because of the recent history in the sport - same as if it was in cycling.

But just doesn't seem right for her and the sport which doesn't seem rife with drugs. Serena Williams and a few others coming out in support of her make me feel my instincts might be right.

But to base that trust on the particular sport she plays, rather than the country she originated from, or the level at which she plays. Or even the stage of her career is a touch selective.

In fact, if you ignore all of these factors, and concentrate solely on the situation as presented, you can surely see tha absurdity of her defence?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I think the sponsors slowly dropped Woods more out of public moral outrage than anything else. Sponsors drop drug cheats quicker than anything now, as they know it only tarnishes their reputation to stick with the cheat.

 

[bluewolf]

Terrible when it happens. You'd never stoop so low of course :thup::ears::cheers::rofl:

This petty little revenge mission from Ref-gate isn't exactly covering yourself in glory either Homeslice.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I don't honestly know - instinct maybe , get a feeling perhaps , maybe look at history. I'm not sure if there is a set standard

For example if this was a runner for example then I would struggle to trust because of the recent history in the sport - same as if it was in cycling.

But just doesn't seem right for her and the sport which doesn't seem rife with drugs. Serena Williams and a few others coming out in support of her make me feel my instincts might be right.

Sorry Phil but to assume there is no drugs cheating in a sport like tennis, just because it's not running or cycling is just plain naive. People will do whatever they can to win both prizes and money, and to think otherwise is as I said just naive.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

This petty little revenge mission from Ref-gate isn't exactly covering yourself in glory either Homeslice.

Possibly not but to be honest I simply couldn't resist. Like an open goal it was there to be tucked away. Me bad

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But to base that trust on the particular sport she plays, rather than the country she originated from, or the level at which she plays. Or even the stage of her career is a touch selective.

In fact, if you ignore all of these factors, and concentrate solely on the situation as presented, you can surely see tha absurdity of her defence?

If she was part of that countries sports program then no doubt there will be suspicion

But right now I'm choosing to believe her side of the story until as such evidence finds her story to be fabricated etc

Lying about health issues and family health issues is quite a low and calculated thing to do - she doesn't seem to type to do it and has over the years plenty of times has left comps and be out through both illness and injury. A level of trust is being placed on her right now that she was taking the medicine for health reasons and she made an admin error in not realising it was banned now.

 

[Tiger man]

She is not a scientist, just exceptional at tennis and if her team tell her to take a number of supplements to improve her performance and it's all legal I am sure she would not look up each individual ingredient she will just take it and trust their judgement as that is what they will be payed to do.
I believe she will have done this innocently and it's more her team that have badly let her down not realising the error.

 

[Ethan]

I'm sorry ? That has confused me ?

You do seem quite confused. Perhaps a lie down in a quiet dark room with no internet access?

 

[chrisd]

So, you're a sportsperson who has a list of banned substances at hand and know full well that the use of a substance on that list is going to get you in to the deepest poo if you take it. You go to a doctor and he suggests using it for a true medical condition and you, a world level athlete either don't check it against the list of banned substances, or, decide your illness is such that you'll take it and hope no one pulls you for doing so - naive, stupid or a drug cheat ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So, you're a sportsperson who has a list of banned substances at hand and know full well that the use of a substance on that list is going to get you in to the deepest poo if you take it. You go to a doctor and he suggests using it for a true medical condition and you, a world level athlete either don't check it against the list of banned substances, or, decide your illness is such that you'll take it and hope no one pulls you for doing so - naive, stupid or a drug cheat ?

One of the better summary's on here

 

[ColchesterFC]

To be fair didn't the sponsors dump Woods sharpish too. Common thing to do and while it doesn't prove any sort of guilt at all they clearly feel there's more to this than has been revealed so far

I think the sponsors slowly dropped Woods more out of public moral outrage than anything else. Sponsors drop drug cheats quicker than anything now, as they know it only tarnishes their reputation to stick with the cheat.

And yet Nike still sponsor Gatlin. A man that has twice been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry Phil but to assume there is no drugs cheating in a sport like tennis, just because it's not running or cycling is just plain naive. People will do whatever they can to win both prizes and money, and to think otherwise is as I said just naive.

It's always easy to assume but tennis players I understand get tested very regulary and evidence seems to show that it's not rife in tennis ?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

And yet Nike still sponsor Gatlin. A man that has twice been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs.

Agreed, but they did drop him during his banned times. Personaly I would ban for life every drug cheat. Sponsor that

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Ethan, do you know how long does this banned substance stays in the system for?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

And yet Nike still sponsor Gatlin. A man that has twice been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs.

Think the difference is Gatlin is now permitted to run and so it makes sense for Nike to be associated while he's back in the public profile and competing

 

[Ethan]

Ethan, I think many of your posts on this are bang on the money especially the one where you suggested what she should have said.

I believe she was advised this drug would help her performance but I'm unsure if she has any sort of condition mild or otherwise where this drug may have been useful. One way or another I do believe she used it to seek to gain an advantage when it was legal BUT now has made a fatal error in timing.

Lots to run on this, it appears her sponsors are sceptical on her response given their reactions today

Even if she has a magnesium deficiency, there is quite an effective treatment. Magnesium.

As for a family history of diabetes, if this drug prevents diabetes, the inventor should apply for his Nobel Prize in Medicine. The mainstay of prevention of type 2 diabetes is dietary and exercise. I think she has that covered already.

The medical cover story is ill advised and obviously bogus. And I believe that despite LP's touching tribute to trust.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So, you're a sportsperson who has a list of banned substances at hand and know full well that the use of a substance on that list is going to get you in to the deepest poo if you take it. You go to a doctor and he suggests using it for a true medical condition and you, a world level athlete either don't check it against the list of banned substances, or, decide your illness is such that you'll take it and hope no one pulls you for doing so - naive, stupid or a drug cheat ?

She has been using it for ten years - it only appeared on the ban list at the beginning of the year. For ten years it wasn't banned.