Sharapova

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Ethan said:
The proof is common sense and being able to see what is on the screen in front of you. Do you think a 28 year old with a wildly unusually young case of anything, who lives in the US and earns a fortune, would take a crappy old Russian medicine rather than a modern highly developed one? You would need to have come down the river in a bubble to but that. You believe what you want to believe.

Oh and don't give me the 'I rust people' line. You demonstrate quite the contrary routinely here.
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So you don't have proof that she didn't need it for medical reasons then. That's good enough for me right now.
 
Ethan said:
Look, Phil, if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. She does not have angina or heart failure. Angina at 28 is extremely rare, and occurs only in people with hideous hereditary vascular problems (which she doesn't have) and heart failure, even well controlled, is incompatible with being an athlete. Even if she had one of those conditions, taking a crappy Russian medicine that the west wouldn't touch with a bargepole is unconvincing evidence. She lives in Florida and some of the first cardiologists in the world practice there, and she can probably afford to see them and receive cutting edge medicines and treatments.

What she should have said was:

"Like every athlete I have a carefully controlled diet, with vitamins, essential nutrients and other supplements to maximise performance and prevent injury. I have always made sure that everything I took was legal and within the spirit of the rules. EITHER I failed to realise that meldonium had been put on the banned list OR my team failed to remove it from my diet and supplements, and I therefore tested positive. I accept responsibility for that, and will accept the judgement of the panel."

The medical explanation is making it worse. Ask any crisis manager, the cover up is always worse than the crime. She needs to fess up, suck it up and move on.
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Absolutely spot on.
She could have done this and I believe all would have been sorted.

However it looks like she has something to hide and it doesn't look good especially when she has already said she made a massive mistake.
 
Ethan said:
Look, Phil, if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. She does not have angina or heart failure. Angina at 28 is extremely rare, and occurs only in people with hideous hereditary vascular problems (which she doesn't have) and heart failure, even well controlled, is incompatible with being an athlete. Even if she had one of those conditions, taking a crappy Russian medicine that the west wouldn't touch with a bargepole is unconvincing evidence. She lives in Florida and some of the first cardiologists in the world practice there, and she can probably afford to see them and receive cutting edge medicines and treatments.

What she should have said was:

"Like every athlete I have a carefully controlled diet, with vitamins, essential nutrients and other supplements to maximise performance and prevent injury. I have always made sure that everything I took was legal and within the spirit of the rules. EITHER I failed to realise that meldonium had been put on the banned list OR my team failed to remove it from my diet and supplements, and I therefore tested positive. I accept responsibility for that, and will accept the judgement of the panel."

The medical explanation is making it worse. Ask any crisis manager, the cover up is always worse than the crime. She needs to fess up, suck it up and move on.
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Ethan said:
Your call. I didn't take you for the gullible type. Usually when someone like her has a medical issue at the centre of something like this, their doctor appears or issues a statement and there are X rays, MRIs or lab tests al over the place. I must have missed those.
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Ethan said:
The proof is common sense and being able to see what is on the screen in front of you. Do you think a 28 year old with a wildly unusually young case of anything, who lives in the US and earns a fortune, would take a crappy old Russian medicine rather than a modern highly developed one? You would need to have come down the river in a bubble to but that. You believe what you want to believe.

Oh and don't give me the 'I rust people' line. You demonstrate quite the contrary routinely here.
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Spit on 👍

Liverpoolphil said:
So you don't have proof that she didn't need it for medical reasons then. That's good enough for me right now.
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What is it they say about a leopard and it's spots 🤔
 
Ethan said:
The proof is common sense and being able to see what is on the screen in front of you. Do you think a 28 year old with a wildly unusually young case of anything, who lives in the US and earns a fortune, would take a crappy old Russian medicine rather than a modern highly developed one? You would need to have come down the river in a bubble to but that. You believe what you want to believe.

Oh and don't give me the 'I rust people' line. You demonstrate quite the contrary routinely here.
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That's how I see it. How many approved drugs are there available in the US that she could have switched to at any time but she kept taken the one direct from Russia/Latvia (or wherever). Why would you go to that trouble
 
Blue in Munich said:
Lance Armstrong; remember him? Clean as the driven snow for 7 magnificent Tour de France victories. In his own words.

He said that it was all a conspiracy by the French authorities. Remind us how that one turned out could you?
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Did Armstrong come out in the Press and state he failed a drugs test ?


And sorry I'm sure when I last looked Sharapova wasn't Armstrong and each person should be taken on their own individual merits and not judged by the actions of others
 
Blue in Munich said:
Lance Armstrong; remember him? Clean as the driven snow for 7 magnificent Tour de France victories. In his own words.

He said that it was all a conspiracy by the French authorities. Remind us how that one turned out could you?
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Add to that the " Benteke didn't dive" and I reckon Phils on a big wind up mission!
 
My take is that there is more to it than she is letting on.But to be honest after reading Phil's post I could be wrong because he is Always right.........
 
chrisd said:
Add to that the " Benteke didn't dive" and I reckon Phils on a big wind up mission!
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I'm sorry but what is the relevant to that post apart from to antagonise someone

I say I trust what the girl is saying and it appears now I'm on the wind up ?
 
I think the most important thing here is that she is very, very attractive and women's tennis will be less pretty if she gets a ban.

Having said that she is as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a big pile of poo on the kitchen floor.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Did Armstrong come out in the Press and state he failed a drugs test ?


And sorry I'm sure when I last looked Sharapova wasn't Armstrong and each person should be taken on their own individual merits and not judged by the actions of others
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Your argument was that because she said it, that was proof enough. Lance Armstrong said it too, therefore on that basis that should be proof enough. Except it wasn't, was it.
 
chrisd said:
I'm entitled to my opinion too
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Your opinion is not about the subject it's about me and has no relevance - hence bringing up an issue from a football thread. For a man in his 60's its teenager behaviour
 
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