Ethan
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Probably. If they ban prostate meds, anti-inflammatories and Viagra, the Champions Tour is done.
Probably. If they ban prostate meds, anti-inflammatories and Viagra, the Champions Tour is done.
bluewolf
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Agreed. The only thing we're about to find out is just how serious the LTA really takes drugs in sport. Probably not as seriously as they'd like you to think.
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Sorry but she said she took the drug for her health issues - have you checked her medical records to say she isn't ill ?
Pretty sure they'll find a reason for mitigation
larmen
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If she could produce her health record she wouldn't even be banned, the whole thing wouldn't be in the media, and we would never have heard about it.
Beezerk
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She can say what she wanted in her press conference, as Rooter said, it was just a PR stunt designed purely for damage limitation. Every medical expert I've heard on the TV and radio today have all shot her story down in flames, so based on that I'm tending to side with those.
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This is from the report
Haggerty said she started to take meldonium after her doctor did "an extensive battery of tests to determine what medical conditions were causing her to be sick on a frequent basis".
She had "abnormal electrocardiogram readings" and "some diabetes indicators", which prompted the doctor to recommend medication, including meldonium.
He added: "She took it on a regular basis as recommended by her doctor. He told her what to take and when to take it, then continued to test her and confirm that it was giving her the desired improved medical condition."
He also says that there is mitigating circumstances that he believes will reduce any ban to a bare minimum.
Is it not possible that she and he are telling the truth
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No it isn't. It might be unethical but it isn't cheating.
larmen
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The way I understand drug testing, and I have to admit it looks like hovis knows how ti really works is, that if you have a condition and you take something, then you declare that at every test. So when that test is positive they know it is there, it is there for a reason, and they don't publish your positive test. It is called a therapeutic use exception.
If you don't declare it and they find your positiv they contact you, you can come back and say, wait a minute, I forgot to declare but I have to take it, and then see above. Maybe you get a slap on the wrist for not declaring.
The fact that she is accepting a ban says something different. If she is in the right she doesn't need to be banned.
If you don't declare it and they find your positiv they contact you, you can come back and say, wait a minute, I forgot to declare but I have to take it, and then see above. Maybe you get a slap on the wrist for not declaring.
The fact that she is accepting a ban says something different. If she is in the right she doesn't need to be banned.
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But she isn't in the right and she has openly admitted that. She took a legal substance for 10 years then continued (inadvertantly) taking it AFTER it was banned. She is wrong and seems to accept that but is hoping for a bit of leniency.
larmen
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My point is, that even if the drug is illegal now, if she medically needs it she gets an exception and it isn't illegal for her. No cause to ban her and nothing to accept.
Indeed and I can see while she'd think she'd have a case. However if as others have suggested the drug has performance enhancing capabilities, which she or her team may or may not have known about it dies raise questions I'm sure the enquiry will want answers to and not sure it's as clear cut as it seems
Ethan
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Look, Phil, if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. She does not have angina or heart failure. Angina at 28 is extremely rare, and occurs only in people with hideous hereditary vascular problems (which she doesn't have) and heart failure, even well controlled, is incompatible with being an athlete. Even if she had one of those conditions, taking a crappy Russian medicine that the west wouldn't touch with a bargepole is unconvincing evidence. She lives in Florida and some of the first cardiologists in the world practice there, and she can probably afford to see them and receive cutting edge medicines and treatments.
What she should have said was:
"Like every athlete I have a carefully controlled diet, with vitamins, essential nutrients and other supplements to maximise performance and prevent injury. I have always made sure that everything I took was legal and within the spirit of the rules. EITHER I failed to realise that meldonium had been put on the banned list OR my team failed to remove it from my diet and supplements, and I therefore tested positive. I accept responsibility for that, and will accept the judgement of the panel."
The medical explanation is making it worse. Ask any crisis manager, the cover up is always worse than the crime. She needs to fess up, suck it up and move on.
hovis
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Yeh, I'll go with this too
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Until proven otherwise I'll believe what she is saying - part of my fabric to have trust in others until that trust is broken.
Ethan
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Your call. I didn't take you for the gullible type. Usually when someone like her has a medical issue at the centre of something like this, their doctor appears or issues a statement and there are X rays, MRIs or lab tests al over the place. I must have missed those.
I agree with you and thought as soon as there was a shred of doubt on the nature of the problem she'd have provided something concrete. Not sure I'd trust too many sportsmen/celebs trying to hold their empire together.
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It is my call but there is no need to be derogatory towards me because I trust people.
I'll wait until the proof comes along before making judgements.
Do you have the proof that she is lying ?
Ethan
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The proof is common sense and being able to see what is on the screen in front of you. Do you think a 28 year old with a wildly unusually young case of anything, who lives in the US and earns a fortune, would take a crappy old Russian medicine rather than a modern highly developed one? You would need to have come down the river in a bubble to but that. You believe what you want to believe.
Oh and don't give me the 'I rust people' line. You demonstrate quite the contrary routinely here.
Pin-seeker
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Hit the nail on the head here Ethan.
