Second Chances

[Pin-seeker]

Not that was so drunk they were incapable of consenting. That's not the argument though is it.
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This May shock you but people get drunk every wk end & hook up & have sex,(one night stands),can't see many people sitting down & conforming that they both agree to what is about to happen.
Maybe sign a contract?

 

[Pin-seeker]

So as Evans didn't go back to the room with her, what did he think might happen?

He thought he was going to have sex with her
Don't think he's denied that.

 

[User20205]

If you read my posts correctly, they are in the past tense, however, lets see how the appeal goes eh??

Absolutely, I'll let foxy tidy up the legal pedantry but my understanding is it's not an appeal. To appeal new evidence has to come to light. I believe it's a case review based on the original evidence, in which case, in the absence of anything new, the result should be the same.
I also believe this hasn't been granted by the legal system, it's being financed by his girlfriends dads deep pockets.

I don't think he's a proper nasty piece of work like marlon king. He's just a bit stupid. He made a huge error of judgement and every since has been poorly advised.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'm more surprised that his Mrs as stood by him.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He thought he was going to have sex with her
Don't think he's denied that.

He's never denied it, agreed, it's just she didn't know he was

 

[Pin-seeker]

He's never denied it, agreed, it's just she didn't

So she says.

 

[User20205]

This May shock you but people get drunk every wk end & hook up & have sex,(one night stands),can't see many people sitting down & conforming that they both agree to what is about to happen.
Maybe sign a contract?

That's the crux of the case though mate. Consent isn't the lack of a no, consent is a positive yes. It's not about a written contract, it's about predatory behaviour. He got convicted despite the lack of a no because he made a really bad choice driven by predatory behaviour.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So she says.

She never cried rape, according to her statement she had no knowledge of events or sleeping with him, so not consensual, following them back and sneaking out aren't exactly normal behaviour

 

[Val]

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And yet it did go to court and he was found guilty and his appeal was denied. All the mud-slinging victim blaming on that damn website and via these mysterious people you know etc etc have gone a long way to ruining that poor girl's life.

If your last sentence is true the offensive thing about that is not that Evans went to court but that the brickie would have got away with it.

Karen, I know a bit more about this through work connections and I'm not going to post anymore on it. Let me just say this, it wouldnt be the first time a trial got the wrong verdict.

I'm out, you are the last person on here I want to be arguing this case with. Take that as a compliment not a criticism.

 

[Pin-seeker]

That's the crux of the case though mate. Consent isn't the lack of a no, consent is a positive yes. It's not about a written contract, it's about predatory behaviour. He got convicted despite the lack of a no because he made a really bad choice driven by predatory behaviour.

But how could you prove that she said a definite yes?
None of us know what really happened.
Lots of people get wrongly convicted.
I'm not saying he's innocent,but none of us know he's guilty.
If he is innocent then he right to try his best to clear his name.

 

[Pin-seeker]

She never cried rape, according to her statement she had no knowledge of events or sleeping with him, so not consensual, following them back and sneaking out aren't exactly normal behaviour

I think this is what went against him tbh(the sneaking out).
But he as got a partner & possibly didn't want to be recognised leaving the hotel.
Either way he's a dirty dog.

 

[bozza]

Lets just say he does get a retrial and is found innocent for whatever reason should this girl/woman be pubicly named/shamed and also have to struggle to find work like Ched Evans?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But how could you prove that she said a definite yes?
None of us know what really happened.
Lots of people get wrongly convicted.
I'm not saying he's innocent,but none of us know he's guilty.
If he is innocent then he right to try his best to clear his name.

So what we do know through the media and court papers is that he was found guilty and until he clears his name he should focus on that, he should not expect everyone else to look away on let him get on with his life.
If he fails with his review will he retire and disappear or expect people to forget and let him carry on, who knows?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think this is what went against him tbh(the sneaking out).
But he as got a partner & possibly didn't want to be recognised leaving the hotel.
Either way he's a dirty dog.

So why did he book the Hotel room in his name, we keep finding reasons to defend his actions.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Lets just say he does get a retrial and is found innocent for whatever reason should this girl/woman be pubicly named/shamed and also have to struggle to find work like Ched Evans?

I can see your point,but no she shouldn't be shamed as this would stop genuine victims coming foward in future.

PS: I'm not saying the girl in question isn't genuine

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Lets just say he does get a retrial and is found innocent for whatever reason should this girl/woman be pubicly named/shamed and also have to struggle to find work like Ched Evans?

Apparently she has had to change her name and move to a new area due to threats against her and all this whilst she is the "victim" god knows what will happen to her if found to be a liar, maybe done for wasting Police time?

 

[Beezerk]

Absolutely, I'll let foxy tidy up the legal pedantry but my understanding is it's not an appeal. To appeal new evidence has to come to light. I believe it's a case review based on the original evidence, in which case, in the absence of anything new, the result should be the same.
I also believe this hasn't been granted by the legal system, it's being financed by his girlfriends dads deep pockets.

He's already had one appeal thrown out hasn't he?
If this latest one goes tats up expect the grovelling apology blah blah blah...

 

[Pin-seeker]

So what we do know through the media and court papers is that he was found guilty and until he clears his name he should focus on that, he should not expect everyone else to look away on let him get on with his life.
If he fails with his review will he retire and disappear or expect people to forget and let him carry on, who knows?

Yes he was found guilty,but look at the Oscar Pistorius verdict.

If he does fail with his review I don't know what should happen tbh.

Personally I don't think he raped her.
That just my honest opinion from all the facts ive read.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes he was found guilty,but look at the Oscar Pistorius verdict.

If he does fail with his review I don't know what should happen tbh.

Personally I don't think he raped her.
That just my honest opinion from all the facts ive read.

To me the word rape conjures up force, did he force her? In my mind no, but I don't think she consented either and that's were the people with bigger brains than mine can explain the legal side.

 

[c1973]

Lets just say he does get a retrial and is found innocent for whatever reason should this girl/woman be pubicly named/shamed and also have to struggle to find work like Ched Evans?

Yes, she should be named.