Second Chances

[FairwayDodger]

For what its worth, the more I read up on this case the worse it looks for the police and claimant. Evans while silly does look to have been unjustly convicted.
http://www.chedevans.com/ the girl has had a previous allegation of rape lodged, tweeted that she was going to get off on holidays, get matching cars etc.
Police had decided upon rape 15 mins after the initial conversation with her when all she wanted to report was a stolen handbag and phone (which she had left outside the takeaway). The police asked her what she did the previous night then went straight to rape investigation. Her alcohol levels were zero when tested (she had consumed 2 glasses of wine and a couple of large vodkas but nothing to make her properly steaming drunk) though Cocaine and others were found though, in a 19 year old?
There are a couple of videos on there from hotel CCTV which discredits the prosecutions claim that she was incapable of practically anything, wearing high heels, she is able to bend over and pick up a pizza box from the path better than I could sober...all sounds very iffy.
I dont know nor really warm to Evans but I cant help but think he has been dumped upon simply for being a footballer.

Personally, I tend to go with the findings of a jury who heard all the evidence and an appeal court judge who looked to see whether there were grounds for appeal, rather than the victim-blaming abuse contained in the rapist's truth-distorting website.

Not a good post to propagate the harassment of the victim here, Brendy.

 

[brendy]

Personally, I tend to go with the findings of a jury who heard all the evidence and an appeal court judge who looked to see whether there were grounds for appeal, rather than the victim-blaming abuse contained in the rapist's truth-distorting website.

Not a good post to propagate the harassment of the victim here, Brendy.

No harassment fairwaydodger, noone knows who she is.
There is a page on there with undisputable facts as read out in court.
I have 3 daughters so am trying g to see it from her point of view too, but no signs of struggle, no "residue", the two men were the only parties in the case that even mentioned having sex, if they did do something more sinister, would they not have denied it altogether? I dunno, there are just some aspects of this that seem wrong. The media, political outcry etc seems ironic seeing as there are so many sportsmen (and women) that have been convicted of illegal activities including death by dadangerous driving, fraud, drug smuggling etc plus the media themselves are not whiter than white neither.
even Oldham athletic are behaving oddly.Marlon King convicted of fraud, handling stolength cars, sexual assault amongst others was jailed. When he got out, guess who signed him?

 

[Hobbit]

Personally, I tend to go with the findings of a jury who heard all the evidence and an appeal court judge who looked to see whether there were grounds for appeal, rather than the victim-blaming abuse contained in the rapist's truth-distorting website.

Not a good post to propagate the harassment of the victim here, Brendy.

Tend to agree with you FD. As to the Police's suggested knee jerk response... that's something the Police don't do in a case like this, and if they did it wouldn't get past the CPS.

 

[Pin-seeker]

For what its worth, the more I read up on this case the worse it looks for the police and claimant. Evans while silly does look to have been unjustly convicted.
http://www.chedevans.com/ the girl has had a previous allegation of rape lodged, tweeted that she was going to get off on holidays, get matching cars etc.
Police had decided upon rape 15 mins after the initial conversation with her when all she wanted to report was a stolen handbag and phone (which she had left outside the takeaway). The police asked her what she did the previous night then went straight to rape investigation. Her alcohol levels were zero when tested (she had consumed 2 glasses of wine and a couple of large vodkas but nothing to make her properly steaming drunk) though Cocaine and others were found though, in a 19 year old?
There are a couple of videos on there from hotel CCTV which discredits the prosecutions claim that she was incapable of practically anything, wearing high heels, she is able to bend over and pick up a pizza box from the path better than I could sober...all sounds very iffy.
I dont know nor really warm to Evans but I cant help but think he has been dumped upon simply for being a footballer and a bit thick.

Good post & pretty much how I see it.

 

[Val]

Brendy, your last few lines are spot on IMO, I've heard this many times from people from the Rhyl area who know way more about this case than anyone on here, I'm reluctant to say too much.

Not condoning it but my opinion on it is that this case may not even have went to court had Evans been a joiner/brickie or whatever

 

[FairwayDodger]

No harassment fairwaydodger, noone knows who she is.
There is a page on there with undisputable facts as read out in court.
I have 3 daughters so am trying g to see it from her point of view too, but no signs of struggle, no "residue", the two men were the only parties in the case that even mentioned having sex, if they did do something more sinister, would they not have denied it altogether? I dunno, there are just some aspects of this that seem wrong. The media, political outcry etc seems ironic seeing as there are so many sportsmen (and women) that have been convicted of illegal activities including death by dadangerous driving, fraud, drug smuggling etc plus the media themselves are not whiter than white neither.
even Oldham athletic are behaving oddly.Marlon King convicted of fraud, handling stolength cars, sexual assault amongst others was jailed. When he got out, guess who signed him?

So because she didn't "struggle" she wasn't raped? You're well off beam with your comments here.

 

[FairwayDodger]

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Brendy, your last few lines are spot on IMO, I've heard this many times from people from the Rhyl area who know way more about this case than anyone on here, I'm reluctant to say too much.

Not condoning it but my opinion on it is that this case may not even have went to court had Evans been a joiner/brickie or whatever

And yet it did go to court and he was found guilty and his appeal was denied. All the mud-slinging victim blaming on that damn website and via these mysterious people you know etc etc have gone a long way to ruining that poor girl's life.

If your last sentence is true the offensive thing about that is not that Evans went to court but that the brickie would have got away with it.

 

[Rumpokid]

What a load of rubbish this whole circus is..Let him play football..Yes play football, and if he gets paid for it, so be it..Death threats to Oldham sponsors and others, how sick are these people??....Give SuperChed a chance, let him play.

 

[bozza]

Did her previous allegation of rape bring a conviction?

Just curious.

 

[brendy]

So because she didn't "struggle" she wasn't raped? You're well off beam with your comments here.

Whoa, hang on, I am basing my thoughts going by witness statement, given in court, they were both overheard to be playfully enjoying themselves (he and she).
There is no actual evidence of any foul play though, it was purely the Police who suggested rape.

 

[brendy]

Did her previous allegation of rape bring a conviction?

Just curious.

Apparently not.

 

[Hacker Khan]

What a load of rubbish this whole circus is..Let him play football..Yes play football, and if he gets paid for it, so be it..Death threats to Oldham sponsors and others, how sick are these people??....Give SuperChed a chance, let him play.

SuperChed? Really???

 

[c1973]

I have just been reading on Sky News that the Ched Evans Oldham move has been scrapped, didnt read the details , but ive seen other comments re sponsors pulling out etc if clubs sign him ..

Now this thread is NOT about the guilt or non guilt of him or anyone else for that matter . its just his story got me thinking .

If you commit a crime and get caught and serve your time , when you serve your sentence should / shouldnt you be allowed to get on with your life , i know sponsors have the right to invest their money as they see fit but is it fair that someone can pay their dues (for want of better term) but still carry the consequences , is this not a 2nd punishment ?..


I can appreciate the thoughts will vary differently if you were the family of the Victim over the family of the accused / guilty but what about as a complete stranger / outsider

Now i know this can be an emotive subject and if any mod wants to just pull the thread just work away guys for the rest of us just respect others answers even if they differ from your own please ,


Thanks

Yes, you should.

 

[Foxholer]

No harassment fairwaydodger, noone knows who she is.
There is a page on there with undisputable facts as read out in court.
I have 3 daughters so am trying g to see it from her point of view too, but no signs of struggle, no "residue", the two men were the only parties in the case that even mentioned having sex, if they did do something more sinister, would they not have denied it altogether? I dunno, there are just some aspects of this that seem wrong. The media, political outcry etc seems ironic seeing as there are so many sportsmen (and women) that have been convicted of illegal activities including death by dadangerous driving, fraud, drug smuggling etc plus the media themselves are not whiter than white neither.
even Oldham athletic are behaving oddly.Marlon King convicted of fraud, handling stolength cars, sexual assault amongst others was jailed. When he got out, guess who signed him?

Hang on a minute! This is not a re-trial. We are not determining his Guilt or Innocence. That has already been done. He's disputing it and taking steps to change it, but that's beside the point at this stage!

Evans was found guilty on the basis of that, and other, evidence - end of story for me unless the submission to the CCRC involves that evidence! And that can only be properly decided by the CCRC imo!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Hang on a minute! This is not a re-trial. We are not determining his Guilt or Innocence. That has already been done. He's disputing it and taking steps to change it, but that's beside the point at this stage!

Evans was found guilty on the basis of that, and other, evidence - end of story for me unless the submission to the CCRC involves that evidence! And that can only be properly decided by the CCRC imo!

Good point well made. Can I nominate you as a mod?

 

[Rumpokid]

SuperChed? Really???

If you had been on the Bramall Lane Kop, when he was scoring for fun, yes..It is meant in footballing terms..Have you ever been to a match?

 

[Hacker Khan]

If you had been on the Bramall Lane Kop, when he was scoring for fun, yes..It is meant in footballing terms..Have you ever been to a match?

Oh that's OK then, even though he's a convicted rapist it's OK to call him 'super' in the context of this thread on a discussion about rehabilitation as he scored lots of goals for your team.

 

[User20205]

It's been said on a previous thread. The only facts are; that he's a un-rehabilitated serious sex offender. He was convicted in court, and had no grounds for appeal. Everything else is supposition.

The first step to rehabilitation and earning the right to take your place back in society is acceptance and apology for the crimes committed. Until then he's toxic and no one will touch him.

The fact that others have committed shameful acts and been accepted back into football is to the shame of the sport.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

For what its worth, the more I read up on this case the worse it looks for the police and claimant. Evans while silly does look to have been unjustly convicted.
http://www.chedevans.com/ the girl has had a previous allegation of rape lodged, tweeted that she was going to get off on holidays, get matching cars etc.
Police had decided upon rape 15 mins after the initial conversation with her when all she wanted to report was a stolen handbag and phone (which she had left outside the takeaway). The police asked her what she did the previous night then went straight to rape investigation. Her alcohol levels were zero when tested (she had consumed 2 glasses of wine and a couple of large vodkas but nothing to make her properly steaming drunk) though Cocaine and others were found though, in a 19 year old?
There are a couple of videos on there from hotel CCTV which discredits the prosecutions claim that she was incapable of practically anything, wearing high heels, she is able to bend over and pick up a pizza box from the path better than I could sober...all sounds very iffy.
I dont know nor really warm to Evans but I cant help but think he has been dumped upon simply for being a footballer and a bit thick.

Isn't using the Ched evans website to defend his actions a bit like using the BNP website to defend racism?
Reading the court papers, Evans mate and the girl left in a taxi, evans followed later, evans and the night porter listened through the door at what was going on, evans went in, afterwards he left via the fire escape!
Even though the room was booked in his name.
IMO until he clears his name his is a convicted sex offender and unlucky if you have to find a new job. If he wins his appeal and clears his name good luck to him and continue playing football.
I'm in the Forces and if you are sent to jail. You would be discharged and could not resume your career after release.
As for the other 2 footballers playing again after killing somebody whilst drink driving, they accepted full responsibility for there actions.

 

[Rumpokid]

Oh that's OK then, even though he's a convicted rapist it's OK to call him 'super' as he scored for your team.

I will say this only once, make it easy for you,... before this case, that he is appealing, he was scoring for fun, and yes he was SuperChed, Capiche????