Scratch Cup

[Crazyface]

Well, in the middle of a wine tasting session after Sunday afternoons dinner, I got a call from our Pro asking what to do about a situation at the club where there was a tie after the two rounds in our Scratch Cup. Yet again a smile came to my lips. The guy who had been in charge of running our comps for years and years had not written down the ruling for this. He'd been contacted and suggested a 18 hole card playoff. Luckilly our Pro though about protocol and contacted me. I contacted a member of our comp committee and we decided to Google it. The R+A suggested a play off. So we agreed on a four hole play off,(holes near our clubhouse), then if this didn't resolve the situation, then go to sudden death over the same four holes until a winner was found. I then conveyed this to our Pro. Unfortunately, everyone have gone home. So I decided that it would be a 18 hole play off to be arranged near our finals day.

Did I do good? (apart from not having a ruling in place to cover this situation but in my defence this should have already been in place)

 

[DCB]

We have 18 hole play off for our major comps if there is a tie. it's written in to the CoC. Seems the sensible way to go if it is Big comp IMO.

 

[Crazyface]

Most of our are card play offs but this one is done on the day with not many entrants, so a play off could be done immediately afterwards. Although not in this case.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

3 hole strokeplay playoff then sudden death is what we do for our club champs

 

[garyinderry]

My brothers course had their scratch cup yesterday and was won over a 3 hole play off.

The winner taking his 11th scratch cup at that course. Unreal.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Was countback not considered as an option?

 

[patricks148]

if its an 18 hole stroke play comp wouldn't it be done on countback?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

if its an 18 hole stroke play comp wouldn't it be done on countback?

It was a 36 holer according to the OP but countback (2nd 18) could still be used as an option.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's scratch - very rare that a scratch Comp is done on Cb

 

[Crazyface]

It's scratch - very rare that a scratch Comp is done on Cb

I'm not surprised, these are the club golfers, I'm sure they would want it decided on golfing ability.

 

[patricks148]

I'm not surprised, these are the club golfers, I'm sure they would want it decided on golfing ability.

how is count back not deciding on ability?

we have a few scratch comps and all those are done by count back in the case of a tie, i think even the county champs around here are decided that way.

 

[fundy]

how is count back not deciding on ability?

we have a few scratch comps and all those are done by count back in the case of a tie, i think even the county champs around here are decided that way.

How is it on ability when 2 players shoot the same score? you choose a pre determined method of allocating a few holes to choose the winner. If you chose a different set of holes youd get a different winner. Rather a tie than countback personally

 

[patricks148]

How is it on ability when 2 players shoot the same score? you choose a pre determined method of allocating a few holes to choose the winner. If you chose a different set of holes youd get a different winner. Rather a tie than countback personally

but don't all other comps get decided by count back?

 

[fundy]

but don't all other comps get decided by count back?

most club comps do yes, any of our scratch ones go to a sudden death play off

why dont pro tours use countback if its based on a ability?

 

[patricks148]

most club comps do yes, any of our scratch ones go to a sudden death play off

why dont pro tours use countback if its based on a ability?

whole different ball game with pros, same could be said about the different rules and playing conditions

Not sure how popular it would be if you have just played 36 holes to have to go and play 18 holes again that has been suggested.

 

[fundy]

whole different ball game with pros, same could be said about the different rules and playing conditions

Not sure how popular it would be if you have just played 36 holes to have to go and play 18 holes again that has been suggested.

not so sure theres that much difference between the pros game and scratch comps personally

agreed 18 holes is too much in the situ (i think it is in the pro game too), hence why we use sudden death

 

[Hosel Fade]

how is count back not deciding on ability?

we have a few scratch comps and all those are done by count back in the case of a tie, i think even the county champs around here are decided that way.

It obviously isn't. Its only benefit over a cointoss/drawing lots is that the people involved don't have to witness it to know a "legitimate" result has been determined. It exists because the 8AM player can't possibly be expected to sit in the clubhouse for 4 hours in case there is a tie in your standard medal.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I would argue that countback does take into account ability. Our club championship is played over Saturday/Sunday with the leaders going out last on Sunday. A couple of years ago all 3 players in the last group were within 1 shot of each other and clear of the field. They all saw what the other 2 were doing so it came down to who handled the pressure the best. Surely that is part of the ability to play the game as they knew it would go to countback if tied?

 

[fundy]

I would argue that countback does take into account ability. Our club championship is played over Saturday/Sunday with the leaders going out last on Sunday. A couple of years ago all 3 players in the last group were within 1 shot of each other and clear of the field. They all saw what the other 2 were doing so it came down to who handled the pressure the best. Surely that is part of the ability to play the game as they knew it would go to countback if tied?

thats just 1 factor of it, at the end of the day 2 guys sign for the same score so havent been split on ability, just a view that suddenly some holes are slightly more important than others surely, if they use the rule to their advantage then fair play but can you really say the guy who won on countback has played better than the other guy?

 

[patricks148]

I would argue that countback does take into account ability. Our club championship is played over Saturday/Sunday with the leaders going out last on Sunday. A couple of years ago all 3 players in the last group were within 1 shot of each other and clear of the field. They all saw what the other 2 were doing so it came down to who handled the pressure the best. Surely that is part of the ability to play the game as they knew it would go to countback if tied?

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