Scottish ref mark 2

Liverpoolphil said:
What's the problem ? It's just someone's opinion - no one said it facts or said you had to stand down. If you don't agree with what the person is saying then fair enough - for me there is a good amount in there that sums up a lot of what I have seen and heard over the last 4 days. I suppose you could counter with some thoughtful points of your own instead of being dismissive of other or is it hard to do that whilst laughing at others opinions.
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If you say something intelligent I'll attempt an intelligent response. You asked if I had seen the NI and Gibrolta result, thus demonstrating you did not understand how the vote worked. You then went on to give some randoms version of what democracy means. No problem, there is just no substance to your ramblings.
 
FairwayDodger said:
No I understood your point but was trying to highlight the flaw in it. Everyone here knows the landscape has changed just by talking to their friends, neighbours and colleagues. Your figures are already out of date, we've moved on, your analysis is wrong.
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If this was a response to me. I see no flaw in what I have said. If this is what the majority want, get on with it. I want what the most of Scots want. However, let's say you go again and again the vote is to stay in the UK... Are you going to try again and again?
 
Alex1975 said:
If you say something intelligent I'll attempt an intelligent response. You asked if I had seen the NI and Gibrolta result, thus demonstrating you did not understand how the vote worked. You then went on to give some randoms version of what democracy means. No problem, there is just no substance to your ramblings.
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I know full well how the vote works and my post from that blog was not in response to anything you said but in response to what Brian when talking about democracy - I thought it summed up things quite well - you didn't - cest la vie and I'll await you actually adding something beyond throwing cheap digs - have a nice day :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What's the problem ? It's just someone's opinion - no one said it facts or said you had to stand down. If you don't agree with what the person is saying then fair enough - for me there is a good amount in there that sums up a lot of what I have seen and heard over the last 4 days. I suppose you could counter with some thoughtful points of your own instead of being dismissive of other or is it hard to do that whilst laughing at others opinions.
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There's huge slice of sense in it apart from it doesn't acknowledge the process that includes acting on the result. Yes, as he says, you can then work to change the chosen course.

Ok, people are (rightly) highlighting the legal aspects, for example, it a referendum so it only advisory.

But do you know what, if we all can't respect a democratic process we might as well accept a bullying dictatorship. And that is the route we're going down. Losers bullying.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I know full well how the vote works and my post from that blog was not in response to anything you said but in response to what Brian when talking about democracy - I thought it summed up things quite well - you didn't - cest la vie and I'll await you actually adding something beyond throwing cheap digs - have a nice day :thup:
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So your happy to retract the comment:

"Did you see the result of Scotland and N Ireland and indeed Gibralter - is that not also called Democracy when all three counties voted to stay in the EU - or does that not count ?"

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Don't get defensive Phil, I'm just chatting this through.
 
FairwayDodger said:
She's playing a blinder at the moment while the farce at Westminster shows no sign of settling down.
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She appears to be playing a blinder because she is not doing the same job as other politicians. She is not trying to do what is best for the people of the UK, she is trying to gain Scottish independence from the UK. I suspect she would form a political union with North Korea if she thought it would get Scotland out of the UK.
 
Pro Zach said:
She appears to be playing a blinder because she is not doing the same job as other politicians. She is not trying to do what is best for the people of the UK, she is trying to gain Scottish independence from the UK. I suspect she would form a political union with North Korea if she thought it would get Scotland out of the UK.
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The woman is a fanatic, driven by ego and a blinkered lust for independence, no matter the cost.

Have all those bleating for Indy ref 2 given any thought to what an independent Scotland would look like given the state of the oil industry and the certainty that we would be forced to take the euro??

It is a time for cool heads, acceptance, reasoned thought and negotiation. If she was a true leader she would be acting as such for Scotland and the uk as a whole, using her position to get heads round tables in a bid to put together a plan for the country moving forward.

Instead she is kicking us while we are down, creating ever more division and uncertainty at the precise time we don't need it. She is no better than her Westminster counterparts - greedy, selfish and blinkered by their own ambitions.

I despair for Scotland and Britain, countries that I love, and am furious and saddened at the diabolical calibre of politician I have been lumbered with for the last 20 years. Politicians who are entirely to blame for the position we find ourselves in.
 
Alex1975 said:
If this was a response to me. I see no flaw in what I have said. If this is what the majority want, get on with it. I want what the most of Scots want. However, let's say you go again and again the vote is to stay in the UK... Are you going to try again and again?
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It wasn't a response to you.

It's not me that wants independence, I'm against having another vote and against the neverendum.
 
Pro Zach said:
She appears to be playing a blinder because she is not doing the same job as other politicians. She is not trying to do what is best for the people of the UK, she is trying to gain Scottish independence from the UK. I suspect she would form a political union with North Korea if she thought it would get Scotland out of the UK.
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She's seizing the opportunity to further her agenda but, in the process, appealing to a wide range of scots who previously opposed her but are appalled that England has voted us out of Europe. Meanwhile the uk politicians appear to be doing nothing at all. They are neither opposing brexit nor going ahead and implementing it.
 
Alex1975 said:
If this was a response to me. I see no flaw in what I have said. If this is what the majority want, get on with it. I want what the most of Scots want. However, let's say you go again and again the vote is to stay in the UK... Are you going to try again and again?
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I think what you miss is in the phrase "what most Scots want" it should read "what most scots wanted" past tense. It's what most wanted in 2014, chances are if we had another vote tomorrow the result would be massively in favour of independence.

The independence movement has moved on rapidly since 2014 and the ground swell of opinion is for independence. The infighting between both major parties in Westminster is helping the independence cause. All you have to do is look at the GE to see the protest vote there from Scotland.
 
sawtooth said:
I don't see much comparison to Brexit tbh.
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You are making whole judgements towards Scottish people who want to be independent so I think it's fair then that people can make whole judgements towards people who wanted independance from EU
 
sawtooth said:
Why is it disgraceful? That's my opinion and the feeling I get when I watch and listen to Sturgeon.
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It's a poor thing to say and do - judging people on the basis off one person ? Surely you can't think that

It would be like people judging everyone that voted out on the actions and words of Farage - do you think that would be fair and right ?


There seems to me a growing nasty undertone from English people towards Scotland and EU and it's creeping onto the boards - that can only increase unpleasantries between people on the forum and that won't end well - maybe let's all be a bit more friendly and end it before it gets worse
 
One Planer said:
Genuine question Karen.

If several current EU member's chose to Vito Scotland's approval, which is what we're hearing with Spain, for membership of the EU, how would that impact on an second independence referendum?

Yes, you'd be independent but not in the EU. Would that not leave Scotland in a massively worse situation?
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Don't know is the answer. Feelings are running high and a rational economic argument might be ignored by even more this time than it was last time.

Truth is even the unionists amongst us are embarrassed to be associated with insular little Britain post-brexit.

I'll say it again, if the SNP can get confirmation from the eu that Scotland would be welcome then independence is certain. Even if they can't get that, it's highly likely. I'm not happy about that but I'd say that sums up the mood here.
 
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