Val
Ryder Cup Winner
You're detached from reality then
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You're detached from reality then
lobthewedge
Challenge Tour Pro
Totally agree with you Karen, and demonstrates how toxic the situation.
These people are so angry and blinded by hatred for Westminster (not England) that they will happily be lead into an even worse situation. We will be a tiny, insignificant speck in the European project with Brussels calling the shots and lumbered with a currency we have absolutely no control over.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Can I just point out that it was a UK vote to leave the EU and was in fact a majority in England AND WALES that voted to leave not just England. I'm sure it wasn't your intention with your post but a lot of Scottish nationalists (not that I'm accusing you of being one) seem to be focusing on England solely being to blame for the Leave vote which to me further stokes anti English feeling in Scotland.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Fair point, just laziness with my typing rather than anti-Englishness.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
She may have said her typing was laziness but it is true, many believe England (not England and Wales) took us out and that is all Westminsters fault.
It may not be right but it's the way many think
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And with Wales - turkeys and Christmas comes to mind.
Alex1975
Tour Winner
Intelligent stuff..........
Jacko_G
Blackballed
London only has itself to blame for the EU vote.
They need to realise that there is life north of London. Hence why the UK voted London out of the EU. Cameron gambled by rolling the dice twice, he dodged the first bullet in the Scottish referendum however committed suicide on the EU.
Sturgeon has now won a watch as the farmers and rural communities who all voted remain during the Scottish referendum to keep their EU subsidies are now all wanting an independent Scotland as part of the EU.
I'm personally sick and tired of it all now. I'd love to know how much the last referendum cost Scotland and how many new hospitals, schools, or doctors or teachers could have been built/employed with that money.
They need to realise that there is life north of London. Hence why the UK voted London out of the EU. Cameron gambled by rolling the dice twice, he dodged the first bullet in the Scottish referendum however committed suicide on the EU.
Sturgeon has now won a watch as the farmers and rural communities who all voted remain during the Scottish referendum to keep their EU subsidies are now all wanting an independent Scotland as part of the EU.
I'm personally sick and tired of it all now. I'd love to know how much the last referendum cost Scotland and how many new hospitals, schools, or doctors or teachers could have been built/employed with that money.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Plea to all the international charity organisers
Scotlanders are starting to run out of popcorn.
Scotlanders are starting to run out of popcorn.
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
Do the Scots, in general, have the same disdain for the 1m+ Scottish voters who voted to remain? and even higher number that voted to preserve the union? I'm not having a dig at anyone, just don't understand how Scotland works. There's an obvious anti-English element, but do they lump their fellow countryman in with those damned English, who hav'nt voted in line with their own preferences? Just wondering.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
The way I see it is that there is not so much as anti English but anti Westminster (big difference). There is an element of backlash in Scotland following the 2014 referendum when Labour aligned itself with the Torries who are still to this day hated by many Scots due to Thatchers dismantling of the coal, steel and car industries in Scotland, throw in the poll tax too where Scotland had it a year before everyone else. I get it that it was almost a generation ago but it still lingers.
Many undelivered promises after the referendum left many labour voters disillusioned with Scottish labour hence the mass move to the SNP.
Dont connect remain in the EU as a vote for independence, they were 2 massively different things despite Sturgeons spin. Many Scots would vote no for independence and remain with the EU as I did.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Along with the Westminister your views of the Welsh seems to be somewhat derogatory.
If someone makes comments against our Scottish friends everyone jumps on it, I await their reaction with interest .
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
OK, Thanks. The anti-Westminster thing is pretty much UK wide then. I don't think the Scots realise that a huge number of the English feel the same way, with everything being centered on London. Brexit was largely due to this precise reason, a backlash against the establishment.
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
Plea to all the international charity organisers
Scotlanders are starting to run out of popcorn.
Your welcome
Alex1975
Tour Winner
It's not though is it.... It's just chat.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Was the vote not anti-immigration rather than anti-Westminster?
I am born and bred in Scotland. I voted no for Scottish parliament, no for independence and YES for remain.
The Scottish parliament has far too much power already. Why give free travel to people aged 60 in full time employment and millionaire pensioners? They have also wasted billions on the parliament building, trams in Edinburgh and free prescriptions for all. At the same time education is in disarray and nobody wants to be a GP!
I am born and bred in Scotland. I voted no for Scottish parliament, no for independence and YES for remain.
The Scottish parliament has far too much power already. Why give free travel to people aged 60 in full time employment and millionaire pensioners? They have also wasted billions on the parliament building, trams in Edinburgh and free prescriptions for all. At the same time education is in disarray and nobody wants to be a GP!
drdel
Tour Rookie
So this can all be summarised to...
Scotland whinges and gains some control from Westminster who got the rest of the UK to stump up cash.
Scotland's main heavy industries became more uncompetitive (as for UK and others) so Scotland wants more cash from UK and EU.
Defence spending falls; UK starts to bulk at paying more and more transfers its allegiance so now Scotland hopes the align with EU so they will give them the hand-outs they are convinced they are owed. Be interesting to know if the average Scot realises that (if they were successful) the EU will want paying more than they give back because they already have more basket cases than they can handle.
Scotland whinges and gains some control from Westminster who got the rest of the UK to stump up cash.
Scotland's main heavy industries became more uncompetitive (as for UK and others) so Scotland wants more cash from UK and EU.
Defence spending falls; UK starts to bulk at paying more and more transfers its allegiance so now Scotland hopes the align with EU so they will give them the hand-outs they are convinced they are owed. Be interesting to know if the average Scot realises that (if they were successful) the EU will want paying more than they give back because they already have more basket cases than they can handle.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
No, not really. Just your generalising
drdel
Tour Rookie
^^^ So 'generalising' yup, you have the specifics?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Yip, when you say Scotland, you generalise and when you do that the rest is irrelevant.
If you want specifics maybe you should be specific yourself.
