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Scottish Prem 18/19

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Doon frae Troon said:
I think that you are just miffed because you started a thread to knock Scottish football and it seems to have backfired on you.

Tell you what, why don't you stop talking about how much money players cost and start talking about how skillful they are.
That would be novel as there appears to be lots of multi millionaires sitting on lots of benches in the EPL.
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Not miffed at all , nothing has back fired - it has got you scrambling around though trying to find comparables.

I’m not sure what your last couple of paragraphs are meant to be about - yes clubs in the Prem have big squads because it’s long season for them playing high intensity matches every single week - what makes that relevant to the Scottish League ? What exactly are you trying to compare this time ?

But it was you that started going on about “big money moves” not me :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
yes clubs in the Prem have big squads because it’s long season for them playing high intensity matches every single week - what makes that relevant to the Scottish League ?
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:rofl:
It took burnley 45 minutes to catch up to Aberdeen's "intensity" last week. paying players millions a year doesn't magically make them exponentially faster or stronger. Yes technically they are marginally better, because at the top level small margins count, but this is just another example of puff-chested English arrogance.
 
HughJars said:
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It took burnley 45 minutes to catch up to Aberdeen's "intensity" last week. paying players millions a year doesn't magically make them exponentially faster or stronger. Yes technically they are marginally better, because at the top level small margins count, but this is just another example of puff-chested English arrogance.
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Is that a Burnley with a lot of their players still returning from holiday about a week into pre season and still managed to get a draw. Over a season the reality is all bar one club in the Scottish Prem would be in the Championship at best - you can call it arrogance if you so wish.

On the whole the more you spend on a player the better the player you are going to get - players cost lots of money because 99% of the time they are good enough to justify it - a number of times fees are inflated but then the whole market is

But if you believe the level of football is close between the Scottish Prem and the English Prem then that’s your prerogative but it will be hard to justify it. The leagues best team struggles to get into the group stage of the CL - the teams in the Europa struggle to get into the group stage
 
drewster said:
I see there was over 20,000 at Pittodrie last night. The place must have been jumping !! Great effort by their fans and i'm guessing BUrnley took their full allocation too ?
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Burnley brought a great traveling support. Better than 99% of the Scottish sides do.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
1960 Burnley fans, hope they had a good time.
Decent game by the sounds of things.
Lapse in concentration by the otherwise outstanding centre halfs cost the Dons a late equaliser.
That young centre half looks like a great prospect.
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A lucky bounce off of a centre half's shoulder is a lapse in concentration now?? Hardly. It was one of these things that 99% of the time wouldn't have been finished. Vokes finished with aplomb. Tremendous goal from the rub of the green. Did Burnley deserve a draw over 90 minutes, absolutely but Aberdeen put in a great performance.
 
Val said:
The money in Scotland isn't even remotely comparable to England, Celtic just paid £9m for a 20 year old, the most they've ever paid for any player and the highest they've paid since 2001. That £9m is probably more than the rest of the teams in Scotland paid in transfer fees this summer combined
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Aye combined over the last 3 years! :D
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Is that a Burnley with a lot of their players still returning from holiday about a week into pre season and still managed to get a draw. Over a season the reality is all bar one club in the Scottish Prem would be in the Championship at best - you can call it arrogance if you so wish.

On the whole the more you spend on a player the better the player you are going to get - players cost lots of money because 99% of the time they are good enough to justify it - a number of times fees are inflated but then the whole market is

But if you believe the level of football is close between the Scottish Prem and the English Prem then that’s your prerogative but it will be hard to justify it. The leagues best team struggles to get into the group stage of the CL - the teams in the Europa struggle to get into the group stage
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It doesn't. The reality is given the Scottish Champions now have to play 4 ties of home and away qualifiers there is always a chance of a banana skin and over the last 2 seasons have got there and will be favourites to get there again this year although AEK Athens will be a tough tie. It's also worth remembering that Celtic are playing some of these ties whilst some of their top players aren't available yet. Dedryck Boyata for example was in Belgiums world cup semi squad the same week Celtic played in a CL qualifier, thats just absurd on every level. Players like Rogic (Australia)and Lustig (Sweden) are only just back in training post World Cup and are straight into qualifiers without any pre-season.

As for Aberdeen getting a draw at home to Burnley, I'd say thats a decent result for Aberdeen and a poor result for Burnley and don't forget Aberdeen are still in pre-season too. Chances are Burnley will finish the job at home, it was always going to be tough against the PRemier LEague big boys.

Going back to your top paragraph, I find it crazy that people try to make comparisons on how well Scottish teams would do in the Premiership, the reality is it's incomparable and yes at current levels probably only Celtic would survive in the top flight. Now that being said if Scottish clubs were afforded the same riches as clubs in the Premiership whilst remaining in Scotland you will find clubs in the top half of the Scottish Premiership would be able to sign the calibre of player available to the top Premier League clubs therefore in turn would be competing to similar levels. It was happening frequently before Sky pumped money into Englands top flight.

Whilst finances are unequal, it's a stupid comparison.
 
Val said:
It doesn't. The reality is given the Scottish Champions now have to play 4 ties of home and away qualifiers there is always a chance of a banana skin and over the last 2 seasons have got there and will be favourites to get there again this year although AEK Athens will be a tough tie. It's also worth remembering that Celtic are playing some of these ties whilst some of their top players aren't available yet. Dedryck Boyata for example was in Belgiums world cup semi squad the same week Celtic played in a CL qualifier, thats just absurd on every level. Players like Rogic (Australia)and Lustig (Sweden) are only just back in training post World Cup and are straight into qualifiers without any pre-season.

As for Aberdeen getting a draw at home to Burnley, I'd say thats a decent result for Aberdeen and a poor result for Burnley and don't forget Aberdeen are still in pre-season too. Chances are Burnley will finish the job at home, it was always going to be tough against the PRemier LEague big boys.

Going back to your top paragraph, I find it crazy that people try to make comparisons on how well Scottish teams would do in the Premiership, the reality is it's incomparable and yes at current levels probably only Celtic would survive in the top flight. Now that being said if Scottish clubs were afforded the same riches as clubs in the Premiership whilst remaining in Scotland you will find clubs in the top half of the Scottish Premiership would be able to sign the calibre of player available to the top Premier League clubs therefore in turn would be competing to similar levels. It was happening frequently before Sky pumped money into Englands top flight.

Whilst finances are unequal, it's a stupid comparison.
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Sorry but even before the riches of the Prem the amount of players attracted to the Scottish league still on the whole weren’t at the same level of the players who were attracted to the top Prem League clubs - there was the odd player and Celtic and Rangers would no doubt be able to grab the odd good player like Larsson or Laudrup etc but the top players in the Scottish league still look to move south even before the Prem - Aberdeen’s great squad mid 80’s looked to move south , the top players at Celtic and Rangers looked to move south or to Italy etc. Rangers at one point were flooded with Money and bought out a lot of players at the end of the career for high wages and money. But I don’t ever think even with the same money the same level of players would be attracted - when clubs like Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal have struggled at times to attract the same level as Chelsea etc then I don’t see what would attract them tbh
 
Scotland has had a history of producing some of the games greatest footballers and managers punching way above their weight.
The money and the bright lights of England has unfortunately always been there.
Anyone comparing England to Scotland in terms of money is daft.
English Football has poached Scotlands best for years and some of the players have chased the money.
Now we have the PL there are even more Countries that can’t compete, never mind Clubs.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but even before the riches of the Prem the amount of players attracted to the Scottish league still on the whole weren’t at the same level of the players who were attracted to the top Prem League clubs - there was the odd player and Celtic and Rangers would no doubt be able to grab the odd good player like Larsson or Laudrup etc but the top players in the Scottish league still look to move south even before the Prem - Aberdeen’s great squad mid 80’s looked to move south , the top players at Celtic and Rangers looked to move south or to Italy etc. Rangers at one point were flooded with Money and bought out a lot of players at the end of the career for high wages and money. But I don’t ever think even with the same money the same level of players would be attracted - when clubs like Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal have struggled at times to attract the same level as Chelsea etc then I don’t see what would attract them tbh
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Thats all nice and thought out, thanks for the history lesson though, it does however miss the point.

If Celtic can offer you Champions league football and a wage better than Arsenal [or insert club just missing out on CL football every year] where are you going to go? I'm not for a minute suggesting players like Sanchez or Pogba would have went to Celtic ahead of Man U but when Suarez is moving from Ajax but having similar wages and CL football at Celtic over just a wage at Liverpool, I think we may have seen him in a Celtic shirt.....hypothetically.

Remember, this is based on all things equal not what we have now.
 
To make like for like comparisons will be interesting to see how the former out of contract Burnley player who joined Rangers fairs this season.


I can't think of too many EPL high profile loanies to the SPFL who cut the mustard last year.
As a Jambo I was quite disappointed in Steven Naismith up till his last game when he seemed to gel with McLean. [formerly of the Saintees]
 
Doon frae Troon said:
To make like for like comparisons will be interesting to see how the former out of contract Burnley player who joined Rangers fairs this season.


I can't think of too many EPL high profile loanies to the SPFL who cut the mustard last year.
As a Jambo I was quite disappointed in Steven Naismith up till his last game when he seemed to gel with McLean. [formerly of the Saintees]
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I can’t recall many high profile loanies going to SPFL last season ? Can you name them please ( don’t think you actually get “High Profile Loanies”)

Naismith was actually from the EFL - just to make sure you don’t get confused between the two
 
Doon frae Troon said:
To make like for like comparisons will be interesting to see how the former out of contract Burnley player who joined Rangers fairs this season.


I can't think of too many EPL high profile loanies to the SPFL who cut the mustard last year.
As a Jambo I was quite disappointed in Steven Naismith up till his last game when he seemed to gel with McLean. [formerly of the Saintees]
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The only high profile loanee from the EPL last year (and even then he won't break into the City team) was Patrick Roberts and he had most of the season injured
 
What an equalizer from Ferguson, that was superb, hell of a way to get your first goal.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Burnley goal was pretty special too...….after a dull as ditchwater first 20 mins it looks like we have game on.
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Certainly do have a game on!
Thought the Aberdeen keeper went to ground too early for the Burnley goal.
 
Val said:
Thats all nice and thought out, thanks for the history lesson though, it does however miss the point.
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Most of which is pretty inaccurate and shows a lack of knowledge tbh, albeit is very much the sort of attitude that fosters the "ABE" mentality from those who are so minded :thup:

Aberdeen winning this tie would have been a massive shock but we've done pretty well over the two legs. Burnley have today made bids for 2 players totalling £29m, we probably haven't spent that much on transfer fees in our history :rofl:
 
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