Scottish Election 2016

chippa1909 said:
Tories in opposition can only help the pro indy cause in the long run.
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still struggling how the Tories had any MSPs, now they have more.... flabbergasted .

it would appear that most of the voters who held the Libs getting in bed with the Tories last GE against them.... punished them buy voting Conservative...!
 
Decisions have been taken on the basis of pro independence or pro union rather than left, middle or right even though we're over a year and a half on from the indyref, Scotland remains divided on constitution. Ruth Davidson has been the clearest on pro Union and comes over as a strong leader so she's got a lot of tactical votes from pro Union people who used to vote Labour or Libdem. Pro union people know their votes get split 3 ways while the SNP get all the separation votes so they have to think tactics, which they've done this time, anyone but SNP approach.
For me reeling the SNP in just a little is good for the political process here, should drive Sturgeon to work hard. Fair play to the Conservatives who've done much better than anticipated. Where Labour goes from here, who knows.
Thought turnout at 50-60% is poor, politics just doesn't appeal to a huge number of people who claim they dont see any difference in life no matter who gets in.
 
Interesting listening to callers and commentators from down south talk about the fact of the SNP not getting a majority as a failure - demonstrating a lack of understanding of the Holyrood electoral system.
 
..and so Nicola Sturgeon announces that the SNP is happy to form a minority government and won't do any formal coalitions. I think that's actually good for Scotland - I've heard quote a few say that when the SNP were previously in minority government the legislation was better. Which is I think what was found in Westminster when Tories and LibDems were in coalition. Look at the mess the Tories have been making of key pieces of legislation since the last GE - wasn;t like that when the LibDems were a guiding and restraining hand.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Interesting listening to callers and commentators from down south talk about the fact of the SNP not getting a majority as a failure - demonstrating a lack of understanding of the Holyrood electoral system.
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Nae surprise there:lol:

Mind you we don't understand UKIP
Even with oor list system they still could not gain a seat........something Scotland can be proud about.
 
Don't see how the SNP can exist under it's current name. The vote has been past, and they lost their arguement. Time to change names I think.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
..and so Nicola Sturgeon announces that the SNP is happy to form a minority government and won't do any formal coalitions. I think that's actually good for Scotland - I've heard quote a few say that when the SNP were previously in minority government the legislation was better. Which is I think what was found in Westminster when Tories and LibDems were in coalition. Look at the mess the Tories have been making of key pieces of legislation since the last GE - wasn;t like that when the LibDems were a guiding and restraining hand.
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No, it was worse with so may crackpot LibDem policies on things like kids school meals and shutting down power stations without anything to replace them.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Interesting listening to callers and commentators from down south talk about the fact of the SNP not getting a majority as a failure - demonstrating a lack of understanding of the Holyrood electoral system.
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A minority government is a good thing?!? It's always led to a dilution of good policies and ideas.
 
Hobbit said:
A minority government is a good thing?!? It's always led to a dilution of good policies and ideas.
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The point is that the PR element of the voting system for Holyrood is effectively designed to produce minority government. The fact of majority government (such that the SNP got last time round) was actually viewed as a 'freak' outcome never envisioned.

And so we have the SNP with 46.5% of the vote - with Labour and Conservative totalling 44.6% - and yet the SNP are a minority government
 
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To keep it simple for some on here.
To judge how the nation thinks look at the Constituencies seats, in effect the 'first past the post' votes system as used in Wastemonster.

SNP......59
Tory.......7
LibDems..4
Slab.......3

Paints a different picture eh?
Good to see the Scottish Tory and LibDem leaders actually winning a constituency seat this year.
 
Call Kay, BBC Radio Scotland presenter Kay Adams speaking.......I'm just looking at the figures...we are up about 8% [cough splutter erm emm] the Conservatives are up 8.1%.
Application in to join the David Dimblebum club.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The point is that the PR element of the voting system for Holyrood is effectively designed to produce minority government. The fact of majority government (such that the SNP got last time round) was actually viewed as a 'freak' outcome never envisioned.

And so we have the SNP with 46.5% of the vote - with Labour and Conservative totalling 44.6% - and yet the SNP are a minority government
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It's a tough one. People vote for a preference but end up with a watered down mix. I like PR but when the make up of a minority govt is diverse... I guess I'm on the fence insomuch as I can see the benefits from both sides.
 
Hobbit said:
It's a tough one. People vote for a preference but end up with a watered down mix. I like PR but when the make up of a minority govt is diverse... I guess I'm on the fence insomuch as I can see the benefits from both sides.
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Some thoughts from a Nationalist on the benefits to the SNP that could accrue from being in minority government - with the Tories leading the opposition - as with horribly weak Labour and small LibDem and Green representation it is on that, that the benefits seem predicated.

http://derekbateman.scot/2016/05/07/they-shall-not-pass-brave-wallace-cried/
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The point is that the PR element of the voting system for Holyrood is effectively designed to produce minority government. The fact of majority government (such that the SNP got last time round) was actually viewed as a 'freak' outcome never envisioned.

And so we have the SNP with 46.5% of the vote - with Labour and Conservative totalling 44.6% - and yet the SNP are a minority government
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Thats because they dont have an overall majority of seats. How ever the result is dressed up the SNP have 4 less seats and the Conservatives 16 more. Maybe it's the start of a trend.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Some thoughts from a Nationalist on the benefits to the SNP that could accrue from being in minority government - with the Tories leading the opposition - as with horribly weak Labour and small LibDem and Green representation it is on that, that the benefits seem predicated.

http://derekbateman.scot/2016/05/07/they-shall-not-pass-brave-wallace-cried/
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The Greens are crackpot lefties like the SNP and the LibDems will vote for anything thats Ecco/Mumsey so the SNP will have plenty of like minded friends.
 
SocketRocket said:
The Greens are crackpot lefties like the SNP and the LibDems will vote for anything thats Ecco/Mumsey so the SNP will have plenty of like minded friends.
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You really do know so very little about Scottish politics.

The Tartan Tories murph into crackpot lefties, priceless.

For the record The SNP are probably the most centralist party in the UK at the mo. That is why they are so popular.
 
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