Scotland V Germany

[gdunc79]

Stevie May? Oh wait, he only got a cap as soon as he left St.Johnstone - which is quite often the way with the smaller clubs. Player instantly becomes so much better the day they walk into Celtic Park or Ibrox. My complete apathy towards the national team can probably be traced to players being called up mostly due to who they play for or because of an old pals act. Form seems to be almost disregarded when the Scotland squad is being selected.

 

[Robster59]

Stevie May? Oh wait, he only got a cap as soon as he left St.Johnstone - which is quite often the way with the smaller clubs. Player instantly becomes so much better the day they walk into Celtic Park or Ibrox. My complete apathy towards the national team can probably be traced to players being called up mostly due to who they play for or because of an old pals act. Form seems to be almost disregarded when the Scotland squad is being selected.

It certainly seems to be disregarded when they're playing at the moment.

 

[Val]

More likely embarrassed at the quality I think

How many changes do you want.

First it was youngsters in the last 20 years

Then it was players still playing

Now it's quality you arent embarrassed about.

The Scotland team has been average at very best since the mid 90's (20 years). That is not the fault of any Scottish or English football club, it's just the way it is, the quality of footballer isn't there any more in Scotland or England for that matter.

 

[Val]

I bet there are plenty more than that from Celtic as well but, with my sympathies, you'll appreciate that I'm not as tuned in to them.

Whatever happened to John Fleck? I thought he was going to be a superstar but don't remember where he went....

Celtic have had tonnes who all went onto to get caps (not all Scotland i'll add), a few off my head below

Stephen McManus
Liam Miller
Colin Healy
Mark Burchill
Michael McGovern
Stephen Crainey
Craig Beattie
Darren O'Dea
Ross Wallace
Jamie Smith

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How many changes do you want.

First it was youngsters in the last 20 years

Then it was players still playing

Now it's quality you arent embarrassed about.

The Scotland team has been average at very best since the mid 90's (20 years). That is not the fault of any Scottish or English football club, it's just the way it is, the quality of footballer isn't there any more in Scotland or England for that matter.

The original post said, decent young players developed by The Rangers & Celtic over the last 20 years.
Decent = quality in my eyes.

 

[ger147]

The original post said, decent young players developed by The Rangers & Celtic over the last 20 years.
Decent = quality in my eyes.

You need new eyes...

Decent = Decent, Quality = Quality.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The original post said, decent young players developed by The Rangers & Celtic over the last 20 years.
Decent = quality in my eyes.

Give us your idea of a decent player then so we can see where the line is for you

 

[c1973]

Still no takers for Hearts and St Johnstone players, from their vocal (when slating other teams) support on here then?

Come on, there's got to be some; if you can find fault in Rangers and celtics attempts then surely your own teams are producing them by the score. No?

 

[c1973]

Give us your idea of a decent player then so we can see where the line is for you

Wasting your time. Very quick to dive in when an opportunity to troll is presented, not so quick with a (relevant) response when confronted though.

His knowledge of football is on a par with his grasp of political matters.
His grip on reality could also be called into question when you read some of the tripe he posts as well.

 

[Robster59]

How many changes do you want.

First it was youngsters in the last 20 years

Then it was players still playing

Now it's quality you arent embarrassed about.

The Scotland team has been average at very best since the mid 90's (20 years). That is not the fault of any Scottish or English football club, it's just the way it is, the quality of footballer isn't there any more in Scotland or England for that matter.

I don't actually believe that. I am sure out there are some great potential footballers but they are being missed out for a number of reasons.

• Clubs want a quick fix and prefer to buy in skilled "ready to use" players rather than the time and effort of the youth system
• By investing so much in high wages, they can't afford to run a good youth system
• Scouting needs improving
• The process of bringing good British players through needs reviewing

 

[gdunc79]

Still no takers for Hearts and St Johnstone players, from their vocal (when slating other teams) support on here then?

Come on, there's got to be some; if you can find fault in Rangers and celtics attempts then surely your own teams are producing them by the score. No?

Did you not read my post above? The Scotland selection policy over the years has seen the fashionable thing to do be to call up journeymen from Rangers, Celtic or Championship level and below rather then give players on form for the likes of Aberdeen, St Johnstone and Dundee United a chance. Of course as soon as one of these on form players departs said club and joins either Rangers, Celtic or a diddy team in England they instantly become international class. Completely laughable.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Give us your idea of a decent player then so we can see where the line is for you

That's why I am asking as I cannot think of one.
Perhaps it will help if I can think of Scotland's best player in the last 20 years.

No, still not working.

Maybees Barry Ferguson, Craig Gordon, Paul Lambert and Darren Fletcher fit the bill.
Although Fletcher was never great in a Scotland jersey.
Perhaps I am missing an obvious choice.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's why I am asking as I cannot think of one.
Perhaps it will help if I can think of Scotland's best player in the last 20 years.

No, still not working.

Maybees Barry Ferguson, Craig Gordon, Paul Lambert and Darren Fletcher fit the bill.
Although Fletcher was never great in a Scotland jersey.
Perhaps I am missing an obvious choice.

You are avoiding the questions - provide us with the level of player you deem decent ?

IMO Barry Ferguson was a decent player

So what is your level

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You are avoiding the questions - provide us with the level of player you deem decent ?

IMO Barry Ferguson was a decent player

So what is your level

Strewth.
How about the four I mentioned in the post:lol:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Strewth.
How about the four I mentioned in the post:lol:

Well one of them is Barry Ferguson

So your initial question was asked straight away then !

 

[c1973]

Did you not read my post above? The Scotland selection policy over the years has seen the fashionable thing to do be to call up journeymen from Rangers, Celtic or Championship level and below rather then give players on form for the likes of Aberdeen, St Johnstone and Dundee United a chance. Of course as soon as one of these on form players departs said club and joins either Rangers, Celtic or a diddy team in England they instantly become international class. Completely laughable.

I read it . :thup:

I would agree with what you say to a certain point, but I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make (not that it matters btw).



I'm aiming my post directly at specific individuals who slate Rangers (in particular) and Celtic every time an opportunity arises (or is engineered, usually by them) to provide examples of players, from their supported clubs youth system, that have came through (apparently it has to be relatively recent and they have to be quality.....or was it decent, I can't keep up tbf) and went on to star for the Scottish national team.

As I see it, their clubs must be doing a great job of bringing them through if they can single out other clubs for their inability.

They don't need to be playing for them, just been spotted, nurtured and come through their youth set up. It shouldn't be difficult to do.


You see, I believe they are trolling but I'm perfectly happy to accept they are debating from a position of strength (knowledge at a stretch).
A few examples (well, more than has been provided to disprove dft) would put my gas at a peep.

 

[Val]

Strewth.
How about the four I mentioned in the post:lol:

Barry Ferguson is the only player you mention through Celtic or Rangers ranks.

Are you serious when you say Celtic produced no one despite examples given?

 

[c1973]

Strewth.
How about the four I mentioned in the post:lol:

Come on then. How many have Hearts brought through the ranks?

It must be more than Rangers or Celtic for you to keep wittering on about them and slating them. What about your own team?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Come on then. How many have Hearts brought through the ranks?

It must be more than Rangers or Celtic for you to keep wittering on about them and slating them. What about your own team?

John Robertson! :whoo:

Dave MacKay!

 

[c1973]

John Robertson! :whoo:

Dave MacKay!

Lol.

Recent players, mind, recent.


I've got McLaren and Gordon from the top of my head. Hardly anything to crow about tbf.


They did supply the Lithuanian national team for a few years mind you. Not sure if that counts though.


Anyway, I doubt it's back on block for that one.