Adi2Dassler
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No such thing, like unicorns and Hibs Scottish cup victories.
Scotland Debate
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No such thing, like unicorns and Hibs Scottish cup victories.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Truth is that I suggest we will have to wait a fair bit to hear what the Westminster government and Cameron think, because they have a large constituency of voters in England (especially) who may not necessarily like what they hear Cameron would have to say to Scotland about the benefits of Scotland staying in the union, and what Westminster would further offer Scotland in respect of powers. Cameron would I think be walking on eggshells were he to seriously start selling the benefits of the union to Scottish voters.
Vote NO to stay in the Union and have the Best of both Worlds. Plus - we'll give you more but not take away anything that you already have.
Yup - that pitch might well get my vote if I lived in Scotland. What's not to like?
Adi2Dassler
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I think it no longer matters what Cameron/Milliband/Darling AN Other have to say,unless Cameron is prepared to debate with the wee fat jambo.Momentum is gathering for YES, polls are narrowing and once that happens they don't usually reverse.Get Henry McLeish or a big player in Labour to come out for Yes and the deal is done.
I seriously can't see any other outcome except YES now.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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The most recent poll does reflect a narrowing of the gap. If fear gets you on this then you'll already be saying NO. It's the undecideds not put off by the BT fear and not hearing much positive about staying in the union. The 'look at the great things we've done in the past as a union' card is not a great one to play at the moment. The past is just that.
I think Cameron is going to have to debate with wee Eck - and Eck will have Daphne right beside him - and I think that plays OK in Scotland. Who will Cameron have at his side - Teresa May? Hmmm. Teresa my dear - intelligent you may be and powerfully glamorous you may wish to dress - but you ain't Maggie (no not the roofing one recently departed).
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Daphne ho ho.
The SNP seem to be filling up with the Broons cast.
Lord Soapy, Daphne and I suppose the finance minister is Horace
The SNP seem to be filling up with the Broons cast.
Lord Soapy, Daphne and I suppose the finance minister is Horace
ger147
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Absolutely no chance of Dave going head to head on TV with Alex, never going to happen.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well in Jim Sillars the yes campaign certainly has it's Soapy Souter - and indeed Swinney aka Horace. Maybe Margo is Maggie - but fa's grandpa though - and Hen and Joe? And the Bairn and the twins? - well let's welcome to the family playing the twins - Charlie and Craig Reid.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Why you think? Saying No is not just staying in the union and rejecting independence - it's accepting that Westminster has a significant part to play in the lives of those living in Scotland for ever and a day. So surely for the thoughts about how Westminster will deal with Scotland post a NO vote it is appropriate to hear from the Prime Minister of that parliament. If I were thinking about voting NO I'd want to hear these things from the mouth of organ grinder Cameron and not the monkey Darling - else who do NO voters hold to account if things change in an unexpected way post a NO vote - Ally Darls?
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ger147
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I just know it won't happen. What you, I or anyone else wants is neither here nor there, it won't happen.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well I don;t think BT should be able to get away with that. What are they afraid of? that folk in Scotland will suddenly twig that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is English - and has a posh voice. And that there is a good chance that he or someone like him will be PM of the UK on a regular basis. Gosh - they never realised that? So what's the big deal? It sounds to me like BT are afraid that if DC debates with Salmond - or even if DC is interviewed by say Jim Naughtie in front of an audience - then he'll be exposed. Well if there is a risk that he'd be exposed then wouldn't voters want to understand that ex[posure.
This is seeming to me to be an Achilles heel for BT. So let's see how things develop over coming months - though at some point is there not a freeze on campaigning or something some months before the vote?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25930075
That's a yes from Salmond and a no from Whitehall then!
That's a yes from Salmond and a no from Whitehall then!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well reading what the governor of BoE is quoted as saying - he clearly doesn't close the door on currency union between an independent Scotland and rUK - and actually by saying care would be necessary about setting down the foundations he is implying that it absolutely is possible. May be tricky - but possible - though Scotland would have to cede some powers and both Scotland and rUK would have to be flexible. So we need to know how flexible rUK would be - speak up Mr Osborne.
Doon frae Troon
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Mr Osborne like Mr Cameron is FEART.
They are still trying to work out what a 9.5% drop in sterling will do if they continue this line of thought.
Mr Carney has it spot on. [I think]
They are still trying to work out what a 9.5% drop in sterling will do if they continue this line of thought.
Mr Carney has it spot on. [I think]
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Blethering on again about a 9.5% drop in sterling!
I have previously asked you to substantiate the point but each time you have failed to provide any answer with a basis in fact. You really should consider a career in politics, but only in Holyrood. The last thing we need in Westminster is yet another Scot trying to enforce the minority's wishes upon the relatively silent majority.
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And you, Sir are seriously deluded!
What you mean is that you don't want to see any other outcome.
Doon frae Troon
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Seemingly an independent Scotland may legally walk away from their share of the debt accrued by the UK government if the rUK do not allow them to use sterling [by their choice]
Don't be confused that the 'Bank of England' really is THE Bank of England.
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Fear not dear friend. Based upon your previous utterances on economic and financial matters I am certain sure that it is not me who is confused about the role and standing of the Bank of England.
If it were to serve as the bank of last resort for an independent Scottish banking system then most, if not all, economic decisions would have to be ceded from Edinburgh to Westminster thereby rather defeating the object of independence.
Doon frae Troon
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Where about does Westminster come into this equation?
Remember that the Bank of England [UK] is an independent body.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sounds like there would be a joint committee. After all were Scotland to leave the union the business and economic ties between Scotland and the rUK are such that it would be in the interests of the rUK to work closely with Scotland on economic matters such as interest rates. The last think the rUK would want, given that the economies would be so closely integrated in many ways, would be for the Scottish economy to collapse as that would have a very significant impact of rUK. For pragmatic economic reasons it would seem to me that the rUK would want to work closely with Scotland to ensure the best for both economies.
And that is not to say that rUK would be supporting Scotland - but that they would work together. After all the economies must be reasonably well aligned at the moment so it shouldn't be that difficult to keep them reasonably well aligned. There would have to be flexibility on the part of the rUK - and some BoE decisions might not fully suit the rUK in the short term and that would no doubt cause some disquiet if not resentment. But were the rUK to ignore Scotland's needs and Scotland goes down the dunny - then there is a risk that that would drag rUK down as well.
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Ultimately answerable to UK Government.
I really do wonder if you have actually studied Mr Carney's remarks regarding the costs to any country in a currency union of having to forsake its monetary policies and control of interest rates.
This, after all, is the same for members of the Eurozone and was the main reason for the UK not joining. Still with Salmond's record you could probably be better off with Westminster determining Scottish monetary policy.
