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Anyone else starting to think that this is going to be more complicated than first thought.?
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Whatever happens it's going to be really complicated. Was always was going to be complicated and messy if YES, but also fallout from a NO will be much messier than originally thought now that Gordie and the W3 have lobbed serious Home Rule into the pot - and that's going to be difficult to deliver if noises off (from Westminster) are to be believed.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
I think it could be very complicated if that's the road the politicians want to take it down.Hoping common sense prevails if yes wins
Old Skier
Tour Winner
The contradiction is coming from politician, not the RUK. The RUK want you to stay but the devo max issue will cause considerable debate amongst the everyday people in the RUK. The Scots should vote No only if they truly wish to remain and not because they want Independence in another name.
Like most Welsh folk, until this little hand grenade was pitched into the fray, I and most of my connections were more patriotic towards the UK and in the past voted overwhemelmingly against Independence. Trying to bribe Scots is not the way forward nor is the argument that social justice and the land will be full of milk and honey suggested by the Yes campaign the answere.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
If yes wins common sense has already departed.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Have a like. GM really must change its forum software
I've not really given too much thought to the building of a Scottish infrastructure, post-Yes. But think of all the govt. depts that would need to be paid for, e.g. Scottish DVLA and on and on and on. Some of those 'offices' already exist but do they exist in the size reqd? So, does Scotland pay 'x' for services from rUK? And how many services are based in Scotland? Is it a motorway of money heading south, and a B road heading north?
And no, I'm not trying to scaremonger.
Does that mean Scotland would be paying for 'aquiring' Faslane? The enormity of it all is just mind blowing.
And no, I'm not trying to scaremonger.
Does that mean Scotland would be paying for 'aquiring' Faslane? The enormity of it all is just mind blowing.
mikee247
Challenge Tour Pro
yes I agree there are numerous accounts of over intimidation already from the Yes camp and it was even apparent on the news last night. A lot of no voters are staying quiet for obvious reasons. Its all going to kick off if it doesn't go there way.
The simple facts are unclear there is so much that is undecided, unconfirmed and pure speculation that how can people possibly have enough factual information to base a logical thought out decision on. Doing that risks and effects their whole families lives and futures. It madness to even think of voting yes for that one reason alone. Emotional decisions of this magnitude are ill advised.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
If yes wins the majority of Scotland disagrees with that assertion
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Which wouldn't make it any less correct.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
and yet it's OK to suggest anarchy if No wins? Rightyho.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
In your opinion, which won't be the majority view displayed in a democratic referendum.You'll have to concede you might be wrong, just as I will if I lose.
One Planer
Global Moderator
You raise a god point there Adi'.
With this being a straight vote with the highest majority winning, it could potentially end up being a YES by 51% to 49% or vice versa.
How does an iScotland reconcile that gap when 49% of the populous, or just over 2 million people, don't want what they are being forced into?
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
50% + 1 vote! The majority will accept the democratic process, there will be a minority with either result that will shout loud and long.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
I've done many things in my life knowing it wasn't the common sense decision. So, I'm afraid no matter how many vote for independence I'll always consider it to not be common sense.
Other than that you are correct, if the majority vote for it I will have no choice than to get on with it. Unfortunately, I don't think many of your side will be so sanguine after a "no" vote.
One Planer
Global Moderator
That didn't answer my question though.
Which ever side comes out on top of the pole still leaves a high percentage of Scotland population dis-satisfied.
With how the fires have been stoked in the last few days, I find it hard to believe that any YES/NO voters from the 'losing' side will just say:
"Oh well, that's OK, so long as it's what most of the people want"
And letting it lie.
Would you? Would you be in the same mind as the quote above, or would you still feel that a mistake had been made and/or opportunity missed. Could you let it go that easily?
I find it quite difficult to believe that over 2 million people will just accept the decision and change their minds.
Adi I dearly hope you have been on the streets campaigning.
You are a credit to the YESers.
You are a credit to the YESers.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Folk might find this hard to believe, but this forum aside, I rarely discuss it!
mikee247
Challenge Tour Pro
??? I'm not suggesting anything Its a fact that intimidation has and is already taking place and could possibly get worse if they dont get their way.
Snap, it appears folk outside my circle of friends and acquaintances appear to want to discuss it more.
