Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Scotland and England don't have a tenant landlord relationship. A marriage would be more accurate and in the case of a divorce, assets are split...

And the Bank of England is a shared asset just as the UK national debt is a shared debt (i.e. the BoE is not England's it belongs to the UK as the debt does). So if Scotland go they should take their share of the debt with them - as well as their part of the BoE. And if it is better for the BoE to not be split up then does an iScotland not have a share in the BoE and a say in what it does in the future. So in the way that in a divorce the family home may stay with the wife as that is the sensible, practical and pragmatic thing - the husband may well retain a financial interest in the home and a say in what happens to it in the future.

And so as the house remains the husbands last resort source of finance or financial collateral, then so the BoE would remain Scotland's lender of last resort?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

And what do folk in favour of The Union think about things like The BBC (Scotland could theoretically get it for nothing) Faslane/Nuclear submarines,RBS ownership,the redrawing of the maritime border at Berwick on Tweed if Scotland votes YES?

Do folk think that the relationship between Scotland/England would be altered dramatically for better or worse?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do folk think that the relationship between Scotland/England would be altered dramatically for better or worse?

As a 'southerner' I think the relationship would be worse in the short term but would improve fairly quickly. We wouldn't have to put up with the Scots whinging about everything, blaming half their ills on unrepresentative government in Westminster; Scots wouldn't need to whinge on about the South-East of England, and the bleedin rapacious and greedy bankers in the City of Lond - and the house prices that enable English to buy holiday homes all over Scotland (but we still would ) And I wouldn't have to listen to the uninformed and pretty ignorant twaddle about England and the English that I hear a lot of the time from Scots back home.

See - such benefits. Come on Scotland - please say YES just so you'll all have to shut up and gie us peace down here. I am quite serious.

...see what living in south of England for 30 yrs does for you - a fresh perspective on life and Scotland ... oh yes!

 

[Hobbit]

And what do folk in favour of The Union think about things like The BBC (Scotland could theoretically get it for nothing) Faslane/Nuclear submarines,RBS ownership,the redrawing of the maritime border at Berwick on Tweed if Scotland votes YES?

Do folk think that the relationship between Scotland/England would be altered dramatically for better or worse?

BBC - you can have, definitely. There's enough on the Sky channels to keep me occupied.
Nuclear subs - you can have. They're a cost to the tax payer, and generate zip for the economy.
RBS - currently owned by ALL the taxpayers. You can have your share based on the number of tax payers.
Maritme borders - as per how pretty much every other civilised country's maritime borders are recognised.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

BBC - you can have, definitely. There's enough on the Sky channels to keep me occupied.
Nuclear subs - you can have. They're a cost to the tax payer, and generate zip for the economy.
RBS - currently owned by ALL the taxpayers. You can have your share based on the number of tax payers.
Maritme borders - as per how pretty much every other civilised country's maritime borders are recognised.

BBC - point is folk in Scotland could receive it for nothing by not paying a licence fee. So we down here would have to pay the shortfall.

Subs - they'll be towed down here and parked off Portsmouth - Scotland doesn't want them.

RBS - share and share alike - see also BoE and national debt

Nobody knows where the maritime border is in any case. Scotland will just have boats patrolling to keep out economic migrants - or would that be to keep Scots in - dunno.

 

[Hobbit]

BBC - point is folk in Scotland could receive it for nothing by not paying a licence fee. So we down here would have to pay the shortfall.
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Eire get the BBC for nowt, as do the (northern) French.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Eire get the BBC for nowt, as do the (northern) French.

No matter - Scots will get their very, very own BBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8uIAAJ368

...and we can all learn the lingo so that we can converse with Glaswegians when on holiday and up for hogmanay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGQItvUBhG4

Lesson 1 - Do you have a problem mother dear? - Whissamarramurra?

 

[ger147]

As a 'southerner' I think the relationship would be worse in the short term but would improve fairly quickly. We wouldn't have to put up with the Scots whinging about everything, blaming half their ills on unrepresentative government in Westminster; Scots wouldn't need to whinge on about the South-East of England, and the bleedin rapacious and greedy bankers in the City of Lond - and the house prices that enable English to buy holiday homes all over Scotland (but we still would ) And I wouldn't have to listen to the uninformed and pretty ignorant twaddle about England and the English that I hear a lot of the time from Scots back home.

See - such benefits. Come on Scotland - please say YES just so you'll all have to shut up and gie us peace down here. I am quite serious.

...see what living in south of England for 30 yrs does for you - a fresh perspective on life and Scotland ... oh yes!

And you've just committed the cardinal sin for a Scot living in England i.e. referring to the English as "we". Go join Hansen on the naughty step.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Maritme borders - as per how pretty much every other civilised country's maritime borders are recognised.

Give that man a coconut...you might be interested to read this>

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/

 

[JCW]

Alex Salmon wants it , Question is does he want it for himself and is a power thing and to improve his own career , do the Scottish people want it and do they FULLY understand what they are going to vote for and how it will change their lives , will it improve it or will it be the same , it could even get really bad . better the devil you know they say .......................EYG

 

[Adi2Dassler]

http://www.channel4.com/news/scotland-independence-alex-salmond-sterling-pound-europe

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So the Scottish minister is resorting to jibes about government ministers

All going to get personal very soon

Going to turn into an us and them campaign and get very messy and childish

Guess the days of the UK working together as a wonderful nation are over.

 

[Foxholer]

http://www.channel4.com/news/scotland-independence-alex-salmond-sterling-pound-europe

Excellent speech.

But the rhetoric to action ratio is a bit high still!l

 

[Val]

Scotland and England don't have a tenant landlord relationship. A marriage would be more accurate and in the case of a divorce, assets are split...

Fair point, but it is fair to say in a split marriage only 1 party can keep the telly

 

[Val]

And what do folk in favour of The Union think about things like The BBC (Scotland could theoretically get it for nothing) Faslane/Nuclear submarines,RBS ownership,the redrawing of the maritime border at Berwick on Tweed if Scotland votes YES?

Do folk think that the relationship between Scotland/England would be altered dramatically for better or worse?

In the event of a No vote why should it change? If the people of Scotland vote no then it should be sending the message out saying we like what we have

 

[ger147]

Fair point, but it is fair to say in a split marriage only 1 party can keep the telly

Old Chic Murray joke:

"When the wife and I got divorced, we split the house 50/50. I got the outside."

 

[SocketRocket]

And the Bank of England is a shared asset just as the UK national debt is a shared debt (i.e. the BoE is not England's it belongs to the UK as the debt does). So if Scotland go they should take their share of the debt with them - as well as their part of the BoE. And if it is better for the BoE to not be split up then does an iScotland not have a share in the BoE and a say in what it does in the future. So in the way that in a divorce the family home may stay with the wife as that is the sensible, practical and pragmatic thing - the husband may well retain a financial interest in the home and a say in what happens to it in the future.

And so as the house remains the husbands last resort source of finance or financial collateral, then so the BoE would remain Scotland's lender of last resort?

So the rUK should also get their share of NS Oil revenues?

 

[SocketRocket]

In the event of a No vote why should it change? If the people of Scotland vote no then it should be sending the message out saying we like what we have

Bet you do as it's more than the rest of us get!

 

[SocketRocket]

The theory goes that any bank wishing to print their own £ (BoE/RBS/BoS/Clydesdale) need to deposit a £ for every £ they want to circulate.I read somewhere last week that there is something like £6 Billion worth of Scottish notes in circulation, so if these no longer become legal tender after any refusal to agree a currency union and the BoE refuse to 'stand behind' the 'Scottish banks', they'd need to hand back the money on deposit.Not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things, but significant enough.

I then wondered about BoE notes, and whether they also deposit £/£ with themselves?


I think I know the answer to this, but what do folk think about other UK assets, say the gold/silver reserves or RBS public ownership....would any post YES Scotland be entitled to a share?

And what do folk think about Baroso claiming it would be nearly 'impossible' for Scotland to join The EU.

Many years ago we had something called 'The Gold Standard' under this system the BOE held gold reserves to the value of all the bank notes in circulation. In theory you could take a pound note to the BOE and demand it be replaced with it's gold value. This system was abandoned by the USA and followed by all the other developed countries. The bank notes value are now based on what they are perceived to be worth in the future, if they no longer represent the value of commodities they could previously purchase then this is called inflation.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And you've just committed the cardinal sin for a Scot living in England i.e. referring to the English as "we".

Yes I know I did - the 'we' referring to the English and myself