Scotland Debate

[drdel]

If Scotland should become independent I wonder as a sovereign nation how taxing 6million people will be able to afford
1. free health care for all
2. Unemployment benefits
3 Child benefits
4 Postage across their whole country at a standard rate
5 Air traffic control systems
6 Build a central Bank reserve
7 A defence capability, I know they are claiming £15bn of assets from the UK but whose is gone to pay training personnel and there will be about £5bn million per year to operate the kit. Whole will police their airspace against the Russian Bear aircraft I'm sure Mr Putin will enjoy playing games across the air corridors and sending his submarines into areas around where the oil is supposedly located.

All this and loads more is supposedly going to come from Oil taxes.

I worry that neither side has even dreamt of the real consequences but if the Yes vote wins the average Scot is surely going to be paying a very high price to learn

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sir Ian wood also said that there was enough Scottish oil to last a lifetime.

Since then all and sundry have been arguing as to the definition of a lifetime.

Mayfly or giant tortoise

 

[Dodger]

The investigation also found over the next 10 years upwards of one million barrels a day could be pumped from the Atlantic Margins if more than £1.5 billion is invested to extract it.

Have you told these companies that they should invest the £1.5billion - seems a no brainer - wonder why they aren't doing it right now

Wonder why there is a decline in oil production since 1999 in the UK

But it is interesting that when "experts" produce reports showing something negative they get dismissed so quickly

Wonder if this person supports Liverpool

Ian Wood, who built a global energy services company, says there could be between 15 billion and 16.5 billion barrels of oil and gas still to be recovered from Scottish waters. That's far short of the 24 billion barrels, worth £1.5 trillion, claimed by the Scottish government.
Wood told industry website energyvoice.com last month that declining production would start to hit Scottish jobs and the economy in 15 years.
BP (BP), which has been pumping oil from the North Sea for 50 years, said the industry would be best served by keeping the U.K. together.
"However, the province is now mature and I believe Sir Ian Wood correctly assesses its future potential," BP CEO Bob Dudley said.
Shell (RDSA) CEO Ben van Beurden said much of the North Sea's remaining reserves were likely to be in isolated or remote areas, making them unprofitable to develop without improved tax incentives.
"As existing infrastructure gets older and output falls, costs will go up and tax receipts will come down," van Beurden said.

One word - Trident.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One word - Trident.

So Trident is stopping production of the oil there despite your expect saying it was geogically difficult to drill there ?

 

[Dodger]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/06/11/the-real-state-of-scotlands-oil-and-gas-reserves/

 

[Deleted member 15344]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/06/11/the-real-state-of-scotlands-oil-and-gas-reserves/

The figure needed to spend keeps increasing

and note particularly his production estimate for the number of barrels per day (b/d), “Production over the next ten years (from the Scottish Atlantic Margin) might range up to one million barrels per day, if companies are willing to invest $1520 billion to achieve such levels“.

With all this supposed oil I'm just amazed that production has done nothing but decline in the last 15 years - why when there is so much oil

Why are there companies not rushing to spend the billions needed - especially when the guarantees are so concrete ( they are concrete aren't they )

Is it 6000 barrels of oil that is produced by a private Scottish firm out of the millions a day ? The rest all done by foreign companies.

So how exactly are an Independant Scotland going to get the money from these reserves - that's it tax - going to ask then companies to invest billions into possible reserves then tax them for the pleasure

Can see Bp etc jumping at the chance right now - still begs the question why they aren't doing it right now

 

[Dodger]

The figure needed to spend keeps increasing

and note particularly his production estimate for the number of barrels per day (b/d), “Production over the next ten years (from the Scottish Atlantic Margin) might range up to one million barrels per day, if companies are willing to invest $1520 billion to achieve such levels“.

With all this supposed oil I'm just amazed that production has done nothing but decline in the last 15 years - why when there is so much oil

Why are there companies not rushing to spend the billions needed - especially when the guarantees are so concrete ( they are concrete aren't they )

Is it 6000 barrels of oil that is produced by a private Scottish firm out of the millions a day ? The rest all done by foreign companies.

So how exactly are an Independant Scotland going to get the money from these reserves - that's it tax - going to ask then companies to invest billions into possible reserves then tax them for the pleasure

Can see Bp etc jumping at the chance right now - still begs the question why they aren't doing it right now

The Westminster Government are not allowing it....

 

[CMAC]

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news...ntapped-oil-and-gas-reserves-worth-trillions/

Industry experts.

Not some bloke that support Liverpool and thinks he knows everything.

You could start a war in an empty room.

The cost is nothing.The companies would spend it to accumulate that amount of that there is no doubt.

...and out comes the stereotypical YES campaigners response- attack the individual, ignore the facts and stick in a sweeping statement at the end saying it will be alright


Phil, you are putting a factual argument together and a good job, but you cant argue against blind faith and assumption.

 

[Dodger]

...and out comes the stereotypical YES campaigners response- attack the individual, ignore the facts and stick in a sweeping statement at the end saying it will be alright


Phil, you are putting a factual argument together and a good job, but you cant argue against blind faith and assumption.

Which parts of the bit in bold are untrue?:smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Westminster Government are not allowing it....

In the Firth of Clyde where they are unsure about oil reserves

But what about further west towards the Hebrides ? Are Westminster stopping companies investing the billions required ?

What about in the North Sea where production has been on the decline - is that because of Westminster as well ?

Again it's the blame game.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Oil is so Yesterday.
Don't you know we are into Hydrogen now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Oil is so Yesterday.
Don't you know we are into Hydrogen now.

Scotland should move to hot air - you would power the whole country

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2g6o1k/researchers_at_glasgow_university_have_claimed_a/

Don't need hot air when we have this.

 

[CMAC]

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2g6o1k/researchers_at_glasgow_university_have_claimed_a/

Don't need hot air when we have this.

:rofl: sums up the YES campaigns plans for the future- a Uni science project that in a lab shows 'favourable results'.

yup, I'll stake my mortgage on that then:rofl:

 

[CMAC]

Scotland should move to hot air - you would power the whole country

:whoo:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

:whoo:

Foolish man who mocks Scots inventorsoo::smirk::angry:

I can make silly wee figures as well/

 

[CMAC]

Foolish man who mocks Scots inventorsoo::smirk::angry:

I can make silly wee figures as well/

you're sounding like Swinney now:smirk:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That is actually quite funny!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

One of the senior members of the NO vote claims they have made a pigs ear of it

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-view...ndum/labour-squandering-great-legacy-1.575646

 

[Dodger]

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