Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We have people giving it "show me something to prove this and show me something to prove that" when in reality nobody knows what the hang is going to happen whichever way this goes.

Christ show me what's going to happen after the next General Election.

In fact show me what's going to happen before that!

What will be will be and I am willing to go YES and give it a go in the hope that a difference can be made.............it might be the wrong move it might be the right move......who the hell knows!!!

Which is all true and you know that it will possibly be a shambles after a YES unless the people and the politicians pull together with business and work and attract the broader international community to make it work. Will they or won't they? Again - who knows. But with a YES it is in the hands of everyone in Scotland to make it the success or failure it will be - and whatever it will be - it will be.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No........ last nights meeting was what I would call a good broad church.
I would have liked to see more younger ones.
Local farmers, businessmen/women, workers, more women than I would have expected.
I think the women actually outnumbered the men.
Even a few Turnberry members !

Which is why the pols could be wonky - how do you choose a representative sample when voting intentions do not follow any pattern across the Scottish electorate.

The audience for the 2nd Salmodn/Darling debate was chosen to be representative - but was subsequently claimed clearly to be biased towards YES. Maybe it was; or maybe YES members of audience were just more vocal; orr maybe the representative sample chosen for the audience simply highlighted the problem the pollsters have. Apriori it looked representative - but maybe it was skewed to YES. Who lknows.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Which is all true and you know that it will possibly be a shambles after a YES unless the people and the politicians pull together with business and work and attract the broader international community to make it work. Will they or won't they? Again - who knows. But with a YES it is in the hands of everyone in Scotland to make it the success or failure it will be - and whatever it will be - it will be.

It's not really, though, is it? It's down to the politicians more than anyone else and what a useless shower they have proven themselves to be. The rest of us will just keep working, paying whatever taxes might be etc etc..... and deal with whatever fallout comes our way.

 

[Dodger]

It's not really, though, is it? It's down to the politicians more than anyone else and what a useless shower they have proven themselves to be. The rest of us will just keep working, paying whatever taxes might be etc etc..... and deal with whatever fallout comes our way.

Status quo then.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Status quo then.

Are they playing at the After Referendum Party?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Are they playing at the After Referendum Party?

Naw Eddie Reader.

 

[williamalex1]

Naw Eddie Reader.

plus a Calum Kennedy and Andy Stewart video.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Did anyone spot the post on the Sir Tom Hunter site were the English owned major supermarkets pay all of their VAT earned from Scottish shoppers in England where their headquarters are. I assume that a Scottish Government would claim that VAT at source.
Or am I wrong?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So the latest story all over the social media is that if Scotland don't have their own central bank they won't be allowed into the EU ?

I thought this was already known ?

 

[CMAC]

So the latest story all over the social media is that if Scotland don't have their own central bank they won't be allowed into the EU ?

I thought this was already known ?

it is, but Salmond said it will be alright and the BOE will support Scotland using the pound.

Soapy Souter said tonight at the Aberdeen debate that he's spoken with one backbencher who said it will happen. So it must be true.



Just for arguments sake, lets say they did, does that mean in the event of a YES vote that a foreign bank will dictate our interest and mortgage rates? how is that independent?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

it is, but Salmond said it will be alright and the BOE will support Scotland using the pound.

Soapy Souter said tonight at the Aberdeen debate that he's spoken with one backbencher who said it will happen. So it must be true.



Just for arguments sake, lets say they did, does that mean in the event of a YES vote that a foreign bank will dictate our interest and mortgage rates? how is that independent?

Though aren't we all already in the hands of the markets and speculators in any case...

And are Germany and France independant countries?

 

[SocketRocket]

it is, but Salmond said it will be alright and the BOE will support Scotland using the pound.

Soapy Souter said tonight at the Aberdeen debate that he's spoken with one backbencher who said it will happen. So it must be true.

Just for arguments sake, lets say they did, does that mean in the event of a YES vote that a foreign bank will dictate our interest and mortgage rates? how is that independent?

About the same as the EU Central Bank doing it with the Euro.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sharing the pound will keep it's value up. Best for Scotland and rUK.
I can't believe that Osbourne and Co. would deliberately set in motion something that would quite seriously damage the wealth of rUK.

 

[CMAC]

About the same as the EU Central Bank doing it with the Euro.

thats for countries using the Euro we will be independant and using someone elses pound. Everything they are fighting for is to make their own decisions...............how do you do that when rates are set outside your control?

 

[CMAC]

Sharing the pound will keep it's value up. Best for Scotland and rUK.
I can't believe that Osbourne and Co. would deliberately set in motion something that would quite seriously damage the wealth of rUK.

there you go again, hoping it will be alright and ignoring the facts and factual statements already made.

 

[Old Skier]

I think the Yes vote need to take care. The UK government and the opposition have made it very clear that iscot will not be able to use the pound. If they want a pound then they can have a pound but it will not be aligned to UK central bank.

It would now take a very brave politician to turn round and explain to the RUK that it was just a ruse and they were only kidding and yes we will run the Scottish economy.

RUK will not be the same after a yes vote which is fairly obvious but IMHO the RUK will not have any truck with any political party that gives an inch to a country that has decided that it doesn't wish to be part of GB.

PS you'll be governed by the EU anyway as all but a few want to join the party.

SLH you still haven't said if you have moved to back to Scotland and you seem to have started putting a lot of We's back into your post.

 

[One Planer]

The currency has always been a stumbling block/bone of contention for the Yes and No camps respectively.

I've yet to see any conclusive evidence either way on the subject.

Salmonds say's well use it as currency union. Westminster say no you wont.

Hardly answers the question or helps people make an informed judgement.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The currency has always been a stumbling block/bone of contention for the Yes and No camps respectively.

I've yet to see any conclusive evidence either way on the subject.

Salmonds say's well use it as currency union. Westminster say no you wont.

Hardly answers the question or helps people make an informed judgement.

An i Scotland can use the pound, even Darling admitted that.
And it is the independent BOE [ie Bank of UK as it stands] who will make decisions re lending rates.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

SLH you still haven't said if you have moved to back to Scotland and you seem to have started putting a lot of We's back into your post.

I can differentiate quite easily between Scots the world over and the Scottish Electorate. I am part of the 'we Scots' but not 'the Scottish electorate'

 

[One Planer]

An i Scotland can use the pound, even Darling admitted that.
And it is the independent BOE [ie Bank of UK as it stands] who will make decisions re lending rates.

So why is there still confusion?

Why is currency still an issue?