Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

I don't have a clue.

I know.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know.

Rather childish - are you Salmond ? Or at least his influence has rubbed of on you - that's the sort retort he resorted too last night

So Alex - what happens when you don't get plan A

Alex - we will get plan A ?!

Laughable :rofl:

 

[Val]

Rather childish - are you Salmond ? Or at least his influence has rubbed of on you - that's the sort retort he resorted too last night

So Alex - what happens when you don't get plan A

Alex - we will get plan A ?!

Laughable :rofl:

The chances are post YES he will get plan A but its the arrogant manner which he is portraying this that is my problem and I guess many others.

If he had said from the start we would prefer a currency union but will explore other options should we be denied one then things may be so much different. Currency will be a deciding factor for many people, particularly those who cross border trade.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The chances are post YES he will get plan A but its the arrogant manner which he is portraying this that is my problem and I guess many others.

If he had said from the start we would prefer a currency union but will explore other options should we be denied one then things may be so much different. Currency will be a deciding factor for many people, particularly those who cross border trade.

Yes - I have no doubt that if a yes vote did happen - Scotland would use the pound and the interest rates etc from the Bank Of England etc but it certainly is currently doing himself no favours with the arrogance because if the yes vote happens he won't have the ace cards when it comes to any negotiations

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Rather childish - are you Salmond ? Or at least his influence has rubbed of on you - that's the sort retort he resorted too last night

So Alex - what happens when you don't get plan A

Alex - we will get plan A ?!

Laughable :rofl:

I thought it was childish too.

Contrary to what you may think, I probably dislike Alex Salmond more than anyone on this forum, but the independence movement might be a wee bit more complicated than you can maybe understand, not that you understanding anything to do with this referendum makes any difference.

But for the sake of it, and seeing as you've not been paying attention, I'd not use the £, either in or out of a currency union ( so that's plan A and plan B, incase you didn't manage to keep up)

I'd create a new currency ( you're welcome to provide a comedy condescending name here if you like) I'd create a new central bank of Scotland and I'd not join The EU.We're pretty good at creating things in Scotland.

I'd also maybe consider re-looking at the euro.

So there you go, 4 plans, all viable, some more attractive than others but all perfectly workable.

 

[FairwayDodger]

The chances are post YES he will get plan A but its the arrogant manner which he is portraying this that is my problem and I guess many others.

If he had said from the start we would prefer a currency union but will explore other options should we be denied one then things may be so much different. Currency will be a deciding factor for many people, particularly those who cross border trade.

We already know what currency we'll be using anyway.... joining the euro is a condition of entry to the EU nowadays......

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Currency. It is 100% certain that an indep Scotland will have a currency after a YES vote (I sometimes get the feeling that BT view is that Scotland would float along currency-less). How do I know they will have a currency? In fact I don't know they will have a currency - but someone tell me that Scotland will somehow be be 'currency-less'

So even at it's most simple nobody can actually guarantee Scotland will have ANY currency but we all know for certain there will be one - there simply HAS to be one. Now let's think about whether EWANI would prefer an indep Scotland to have a common currency as them or not - come the event. Westminster are of course quite entitled to say 'no common currency'. This is an easy line to peddle - but maybe it wouldn't be so easy to stick to come the event,

 

[Val]

I thought it was childish too.

Contrary to what you may think, I probably dislike Alex Salmond more than anyone on this forum, but the independence movement might be a wee bit more complicated than you can maybe understand, not that you understanding anything to do with this referendum makes any difference.

But for the sake of it, and seeing as you've not been paying attention, I'd not use the £, either in or out of a currency union ( so that's plan A and plan B, incase you didn't manage to keep up)

I'd create a new currency ( you're welcome to provide a comedy condescending name here if you like) I'd create a new central bank of Scotland and I'd not join The EU.We're pretty good at creating things in Scotland.

I'd also maybe consider re-looking at the euro.

So there you go, 4 plans, all viable, some more attractive than others but all perfectly workable.

Unfortunately you don't make the policy decisions so all bets off here.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

We already know what currency we'll be using anyway.... joining the euro is a condition of entry to the EU nowadays......

Nope.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I thought it was childish too.

Contrary to what you may think, I probably dislike Alex Salmond more than anyone on this forum, but the independence movement might be a wee bit more complicated than you can maybe understand, not that you understanding anything to do with this referendum makes any difference.

But for the sake of it, and seeing as you've not been paying attention, I'd not use the £, either in or out of a currency union ( so that's plan A and plan B, incase you didn't manage to keep up)

I'd create a new currency ( you're welcome to provide a comedy condescending name here if you like) I'd create a new central bank of Scotland and I'd not join The EU.We're pretty good at creating things in Scotland.

I'd also maybe consider re-looking at the euro.

So there you go, 4 plans, all viable, some more attractive than others but all perfectly workable.

Do you make the policy choices ?

 

[Val]

Currency. It is 100% certain that an indep Scotland will have a currency after a YES vote (I sometimes get the feeling that BT view is that Scotland would float along currency-less). How do I know they will have a currency? In fact I don't know they will have a currency - but someone tell me that Scotland will somehow be be 'currency-less'

So even at it's most simple nobody can actually guarantee Scotland will have ANY currency but we all know for certain there will be one - there simply HAS to be one. Now let's think about whether EWANI would prefer an indep Scotland to have a common currency as them or not - come the event. Westminster are of course quite entitled to say 'no common currency'. This is an easy line to peddle - but maybe it wouldn't be so easy to stick to come the event,

Of course it will have a currency, however the main issue is Salmond says it will be the pound, the treasury say it won't, Salmond has no back up in the event the treasury do call his bluff.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Do you make the policy choices ?

Yes.I'm Spartacus.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Nope.

Isn't it? That's what I get for listening to Radio Scotland!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes.I'm Spartacus.

Well a couple of letters are right :thup:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Isn't it? That's what I get for listening to Radio Scotland!

Indeed.Serves you right.

Actually, it is right, but there's a wee bit that they have missed out.

Before you're allowed to adopt the euro you must adopt ERM II, without it it's impossible to adopt the Euro.ERM II is entirely optional and you are not obliged to join it at any point during your membership.So, you have to make an undertaking to join the euro, but the wee bit before ( which is essential to adopting the euro) is an optional extra you don't have to join.

The EU, don't you just love them?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Well a couple of letters are right :thup:

Well done.Shouldn't you be over on the football thread telling us about our leagues?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Of course it will have a currency, however the main issue is Salmond says it will be the pound, the treasury say it won't, Salmond has no back up in the event the treasury do call his bluff.

plan b, c, and d are in the white paper, B] Sterling used as an international trading currency. C] Sterling as a Scottish pound pegged 1-1 with the UK pound and D] Scottish pound as a floating currency, all viable although plan A best.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well done.Shouldn't you be over on the football thread telling us about our leagues?

I reckon you should join in the debate on telly as it appears you know exactly who should and shouldn't talk or have an opinion about the Independence.

That way you can inform everyone of your policies and then inform people who don't have a vote that they have nothing worth saying

At the end of the day all you have is a bit of paper saying yes or no - you have zero say it what happens after a yes or no and an Independent Scottish government will do just what all other governments do - what is best for them. Unless you seriously believe Scottish politicians are different from every single other one.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I reckon you should join in the debate on telly as it appears you know exactly who should and shouldn't talk or have an opinion about the Independence.

That way you can inform everyone of your policies and then inform people who don't have a vote that they have nothing worth saying

At the end of the day all you have is a bit of paper saying yes or no - you have zero say it what happens after a yes or no and an Independent Scottish government will do just what all other governments do - what is best for them. Unless you seriously believe Scottish politicians are different from every single other one.

I think you are right.I think it should be me vs you on the BBC for the next debate.I'll even buy you a cornetto and fanta.

 

[Val]

plan b, c, and d are in the white paper, B] Sterling used as an international trading currency. C] Sterling as a Scottish pound pegged 1-1 with the UK pound and D] Scottish pound as a floating currency, all viable although plan A best.

If that is the case then why hasn't Salmond stated this, or is it maybe a case plans b, c and are a play on words and all mean the same as A

This is the first i was aware of this, what section on the white paper is this on?