Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

read it again then, it's very clear

I did - and it's not - it's ambiguous.

'...in the event of a NO their voice on this matter will be shrill and loud at the Golf club, and ignored elsewhere North of the border you might not hear it at the moment but I suspect that you will'

Are you saying that what is said about this subject in my golf club in England will be ignored elsewhere in England - or that what is said in my golf club will be ignored north of the border

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Don't think so...

Some may get paid more but it doesn't much help my cost of living.

Some.....you are joking.
What is the going hourly rate for a gardener/plumber/carpenter/mechanic etc in Surrey.

 

[c1973]

I'll counter with the easy one - What's the average house price in Ayrshire? Comparable with Surrey?

You pay more to live in a nicer area obviously. That has nothing to do with earning power which has a direct affect on how much 'shared pain' you experience.

Edit: House prices should only affect you directly if you are planning on buying or selling, wages affect you day in day out.

With all due respect I think you are completely detached from the debate up here and it shows in some of the post content. That's not intended to put you down or be in any way defamatory btw, I'd be the same if it were a debate on Surrey or elsewhere probably, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Come the election I'm quite sure the guys in the golf club will have moved on to another scapegoat for all the ills in the country, looking in from afar I'm guessing it will be UKIP and Johnny foreigner that will be to the fore........again.

 

[Hobbit]

Don't think so...

Some may get paid more but it doesn't much help my cost of living.

We've got 75 engineers/technicians based around the UK, inc the southeast and around Scotland. Same salaries.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We've got 75 engineers/technicians based around the UK, inc the southeast and around Scotland. Same salaries.

...there seems to be a view harboured up north that those of us 'lucky' enough to live in the 'affluent' southeast get paid loads and are loaded. I wish.

I'm also confused about why my comments suggest that I am detached from the debate in Scotland. My observations on such as 'free stuff' are not mine. They are the comments of some of my English friends and colleagues. I am only trying to add a perspective on the debate from down here. If you chose to ignore the thoughts of some south of the border on the grounds of their being irrelevant to the debate then feel free

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Interesting!

Average salaries.

London £ 35.5
Aberdeen £34.9
Edinburgh £28.7
Bristol £28.5
Glasgow £27.4
Manchester £27.4
Birmingham £26.3.

Quite surprised by that.

 

[Val]

Interesting!

Average salaries.

London £ 35.5
Aberdeen £34.9
Edinburgh £28.7
Bristol £28.5
Glasgow £27.4
Manchester £27.4
Birmingham £26.3.

Quite surprised by that.

So what is it in Surrey?

 

[Val]

...there seems to be a view harboured up north that those of us 'lucky' enough to live in the 'affluent' southeast get paid loads and are loaded. I wish.

I'm also confused about why my comments suggest that I am detached from the debate in Scotland. My observations on such as 'free stuff' are not mine. They are the comments of some of my English friends and colleagues. I am only trying to add a perspective on the debate from down here. If you chose to ignore the thoughts of some south of the border on the grounds of their being irrelevant to the debate then feel free

Remind us why you moved south again, I'm sure page and pages ago you mentioned financial benefits as part of the reason.

 

[MegaSteve]

We've got 75 engineers/technicians based around the UK, inc the southeast and around Scotland. Same salaries.

Wot? No London weighting .... Doon will be pleased ...


In my experience the vast majority, in these parts, ain't fussed either way about Scottish independence... Far greater 'worries' [perceived or otherwise] closer to home... If devo max was an option [for Scotland] then they may have had some real concerns about the outcome...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scottish Government have just voted to stop 'right to buy' of council houses.
Is that something rUK should follow?

 

[c1973]

Scottish Government have just voted to stop 'right to buy' of council houses.
Is that something rUK should follow?

Yes.

Provided there are social housing shortages the right to buy should be scrapped. It should never have started imo.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Remind us why you moved south again, I'm sure page and pages ago you mentioned financial benefits as part of the reason.

I moved south to Bristol in 1984 as I qualified and I could not find a job in Scotland that would mean I could use my degree. I would have preferred to stay in Scotland - but I got on my bike. And average salary in Surrey is going to be similar to London I'd guess. £10K a year doesn't go far when trying to afford a mortgage for a house down here.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes.

Provided there are social housing shortages the right to buy should be scrapped. It should never have started imo.

I agree - been a disaster for meeting housing needs. A neat Thatcherite vote winning strategy.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Yes.

Provided there are social housing shortages the right to buy should be scrapped. It should never have started imo.

Agree with this.An opportunity for both Westminster and Holyrood to kick start the building trade by investing hugely in social housing.I think the current deal for builders is you build 100 houses to sell you must build 25 social houses?Increase that, stop letting big building companies land bank brown field sites preferring to build vacuums out of town and build schools/etc close tothe social housing.The docks of Edinburgh are a prime example of this.

 

[c1973]

I agree - been a disaster for meeting housing needs. A neat Thatcherite vote winning strategy.

Agree with this.An opportunity for both Westminster and Holyrood to kick start the building trade by investing hugely in social housing.I think the current deal for builders is you build 100 houses to sell you must build 25 social houses?Increase that, stop letting big building companies land bank brown field sites preferring to build vacuums out of town and build schools/etc close tothe social housing.The docks of Edinburgh are a prime example of this.

I've never had a problem with the concept as long as like was replaced with like, problem was it never was. Nothing wrong with aiding people to get on the property ladder, but not at the expense of the next generation who found and are still finding a severe lack of social housing.

I applaud the SNP for this decision (law of averages meant they were bound to get something right! ).

Adi, not sure about exact numbers but from memory I think the local council round here knocked down around 350 properties (a good mixture of decent sized flats and houses) and another social landlord replaced them with around 250 hen huts. 100 fewer properties, local rag headlines 250 new houses! Absolutely scandalous imo.

 

[Val]

I moved south to Bristol in 1984 as I qualified and I could not find a job in Scotland that would mean I could use my degree. I would have preferred to stay in Scotland - but I got on my bike. And average salary in Surrey is going to be similar to London I'd guess. £10K a year doesn't go far when trying to afford a mortgage for a house down here.

Really? Even basing on 40% tax it's £500 a month extra, that would pay £100k mortgage over 25 years at current rates. Are you seriously telling me a like for like house in Surrey over Ayrshire is over £100k more?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Really? Even basing on 40% tax it's £500 a month extra, that would pay £100k mortgage over 25 years at current rates. Are you seriously telling me a like for like house in Surrey over Ayrshire is over £100k more?

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

It looks to me like "Surrey" is a lot more expensive, yes.

And that assumes that the £500 per month isn't eaten into with the cost of other items being more expensive (council tax/food/etc)

 

[Val]

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

It looks to me like "Surrey" is a lot more expensive, yes.

And that assumes that the £500 per month isn't eaten into with the cost of other items being more expensive (council tax/food/etc)

Maybe using Surrey - Ayrshire generic isn't quite right given population density but like for like housing in similar towns I'd agree in Surrey you'll pay more but I'd be surprised if it's as much as £100k more, I might be wrong but would be genuinely surprised.

Best comparison would probably be Camberley to Troon.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

It looks to me like "Surrey" is a lot more expensive, yes.

And that assumes that the £500 per month isn't eaten into with the cost of other items being more expensive (council tax/food/etc)

If you look at page 5 of both counties the Surrey properties are three times more expensive than comparable Ayrshire properties.

 

[CMAC]

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...oms=3&sortType=1&numberOfPropertiesPerPage=10

It looks to me like "Surrey" is a lot more expensive, yes.

And that assumes that the £500 per month isn't eaten into with the cost of other items being more expensive (council tax/food/etc)

yup of course it is, it's Surrey (beautiful countryside, beautiful villages, great weather) and Ayrshire!



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