Scotland Debate

[c1973]

As an aside The Bruce is on movies for men at the moment. Absolutely fascinating period of history and thoroughly absorbing story, but probably a crap film. Lol.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Nigel Tranter was a friend of my aunts and used to live in the house nearest to the wooden bridge at Aberlady Bay.

I have read nearly all of his historical novels, great reads, and an enjoyable way of learning your countries history.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Two RAF Typhoons have been scrambled to intercept Russian A/C near the NW of Scotland

Will an Independant Scotland have the ability to do that in their waters ?

No.We'll not be allowed planes or ships once independent.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No.We'll not be allowed planes or ships once independent.

Not even if we ask nicely?

 

[Foxholer]

Two RAF Typhoons have been scrambled to intercept Russian A/C near the NW of Scotland

And what exactly did that achieve?

Apart from identifying them as Russian A/c in International air Space.

rUK will be able to continue to do so from wherever it moves the Typhoons to after Lossiemouth (after Leuchars).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And what exactly did that achieve?

Apart from identifying them as Russian A/c in International air Space.

rUK will be able to continue to do so from wherever it moves the Typhoons to after Lossiemouth (after Leuchars).

Do believe the "Military Planes" where unidentified and moving towards UK airspace so they scrambled the fighters to visually identify them and then ensure they didnt go into UK airpace without authorisation

Its regular occurence

We are also currently shadowing a russian navy ship as it goes close to UK waters.

And yes we will do if the planes/ships approach UK airspace/waters - but what if its Scottish waters/airspace

 

[SocketRocket]

Not even if we ask nicely?

OK! Pretty please!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do you think that by asking the same question/ repeating the same statement a few hundred times (and this isn't the only thread) that eventually people will lose the will to live and agree with you?

It seems that accordingly to polls the majority in Scotland DO agree with me - and I don't think they have lost that will - they just want a bit more positivity from BT. They are the voters - you saying that they are wrong to ask for that?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It seems that accordingly to polls the majority in Scotland DO agree with me - and I don't think they have lost that will - they just want a bit more positivity from BT. They are the voters - you saying that they are wrong to ask for that?

I thought the majority still were going to vote no ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I thought the majority still were going to vote no ?

They are - but would still like to hear a bit more positivity from BT. I guess if you are going to vote NO some might like some positive reasons for doing so rather than just negative reasons for not voting YES

 

[SocketRocket]

They are - but would still like to hear a bit more positivity from BT. I guess if you are going to vote NO some might like some positive reasons for doing so rather than just negative reasons for not voting YES

The negative reasons for voting 'Yes' are positive reasons for voting 'No'

 

[Val]

It seems that accordingly to polls the majority in Scotland DO agree with me - and I don't think they have lost that will - they just want a bit more positivity from BT. They are the voters - you saying that they are wrong to ask for that?

What polls are these, no one has asked me and many many others I know.

 

[Val]

The negative reasons for voting 'Yes' are positive reasons for voting 'No'

I've been saying this here for long enough. All the BT campaign have to do is point to the reasons why YES is a bad idea, that's what they have done ongoing and is their obvious strategy.

 

[Hobbit]

It seems that accordingly to polls the majority in Scotland DO agree with me - and I don't think they have lost that will - they just want a bit more positivity from BT. They are the voters - you saying that they are wrong to ask for that?

Positivity or clarity?

See below.

The negative reasons for voting 'Yes' are positive reasons for voting 'No'

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Interesting comments on 'Civic Nationalism'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/23/scottish-independence-civic-nationalism

 

[Foxholer]

Do believe the "Military Planes" where unidentified and moving towards UK airspace so they scrambled the fighters to visually identify them and then ensure they didnt go into UK airpace without authorisation

Its regular occurence

We are also currently shadowing a russian navy ship as it goes close to UK waters.

And yes we will do if the planes/ships approach UK airspace/waters - but what if its Scottish waters/airspace

So just being nosey then - nothing actually achieved! All just part of the hugely expensive Chess game called Defence!

Why would rUK care about what happens in Scottish waters? And if they do (as I believe they - selfishly - do) then dialogue between the 2 countries would create protocols for the same sort of thing to happen.

Simples; little change; nothing to worry about. And the cost for iScotland is only for the times it actually 'uses the service'! And for the elements of defence it actually wants/needs!

 

[CMAC]

They are - but would still like to hear a bit more positivity from BT. I guess if you are going to vote NO some might like some positive reasons for doing so rather than just negative reasons for not voting YES

the positive reason for voting no is no separation- seems pretty simple, not sure what's confusing you (repeatedly) over that

 

[c1973]

..........then dialogue between the 2 countries would create protocols for the same sort of thing to happen.

Simples; little change; nothing to worry about. And the cost for iScotland is only for the times it actually 'uses the service'! And for the elements of defence it actually wants/needs!

So, it's a case of please England, can you defend our air space/waters.....we'll pay you if you do?

I don't recall Ukraine's neighbours jumping to their defence recently.

God forbid if wee eck actually achieves his aims. We would be a separate nation, no union, no defence pact, not in NATO (in a lot of peeps opinion) , no one knows what our army , air force and navy would consist of and we would be dependant on England (who have just been told to get Trident out) to protect our interest!!!
Yep, sounds good to me........

What we have maybe ain't 100% wonderful, but it's better than a lot of countries have, it kinda works and has done for years.

For England read UK,Britain....whatever y'all wanna call it.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So, it's a case of please England, can you defend our air space/waters.....we'll pay you if you do?

I don't recall Ukraine's neighbours jumping to their defence recently.

God forbid if wee eck actually achieves his aims. We would be a separate nation, no union, no defence pact, not in NATO (in a lot of peeps opinion) , no one knows what our army , air force and navy would consist of and we would be dependant on England (who have just been told to get Trident out) to protect our interest!!!
Yep, sounds good to me........

What we have maybe ain't 100% wonderful, but it's better than a lot of countries have, it kinda works and has done for years.

For England read UK,Britain....whatever y'all wanna call it.

Never knew Alistair Carmichael posted on here, that's about as lucid as he gets too.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am not a YES voter.

I simply think that the BT and Westminster campaign could and should do more to sell Scotland as part of the UK as I think it is a risky game for them just to say "we don't have to as it's up to YES to sell an iScotland"

If BT and Westminster choose not to then so be it - I think it's a mistake.

Polls say voters want a more positive NO message

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/positive-no-message-wanted.23979055

As I was asked about polls - From 16th April