Scorecard swapping question

[Deleted member 15344]

Would have no issue with someone marking their own card or all scores on one card etc - trust is a big thing in golf

 

[chrisd]

Would have no issue with someone marking their own card or all scores on one card etc - trust is a big thing in golf

It's not something I'd feel OK with in a comp

 

[bladeplayer]

It's not something I'd feel OK with in a comp

What ?Trust ?



Only kidding Chris ...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not something I'd feel OK with in a comp

Trusting people ?

 

[Robobum]

Parnevik and Roe were DQ'd for not exchanging cards weren't they?

Would that mean that all Bladeplayers group were ok apart from the guy marking all the cards?

 

[chrisd]

Trusting people ?

One person doing all the scores or someone doing their own in a non team competition

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One person doing all the scores or someone doing their own in a non team competition

I would trust the guys I play with to be honest about the scoring - trust them in all other situations on the course.

 

[bladeplayer]

One person doing all the scores or someone doing their own in a non team competition

Why tho Chris ? im not talking about playing with strangers here , im talking about your regular playing group , you would not trust or be comfortable with them marking all the cards ?

I totally accept Robobums comment re how it could look to others who would not be aware of our honesty

 

[MashieNiblick]

In the case of marking your own card.....why on earth do you do that? It's against the rules. Which other rules don't matter? etc etc.

To be mischievous for a moment, what Rule actually states that you cannot mark your own card? The Definition of marker does not preclude the Committee’s appointing the player to be his own marker and Rules 6-6a and 6-6b only imply that the marker and competitor are two different people. Is that implication sufficient?

Just curious... or testing.

Interesting.

As I read it, in the situation described, one player records all the scores but someone else will sign that player's card as their "marker". Rule 6-6 indicates to me that the marker and the competitor are two different people and the Rule says the marker "should" record the scores, admittedly not "must", so maybe it isn't cut and dried. Seems odd though.

The other thing is normally each player records their own score as well as the person's score whose card they are marking. In that case there are 2 records of the score by two different people and that can really help with any queries or disputes. If a player is recording their own score they don't have that back up. Very occasionally what I have on the card is different to what my marker has or vice versa. Mistakes happen for all kinds of innocent reasons. It isn't really about trust. In my view it is more about being confident that what you sign for is what you scored.

 

[chrisd]

I would trust the guys I play with to be honest about the scoring - trust them in all other situations on the course.

Ive had several situations over the years where my card and the persons card I'm marking haven't agreed and you need the 2 cards to agree or find out where the difference is. If only one person is marking all the cards it is difficult to agree

 

[Old Skier]

I though the words did preclude it.

2(d)
Q. Can a person, other than a fellow competitor, appointed to act as a marker return a Qualifying Score for
handicap purposes?
A. A person appointed by an organising Committee to act as a marker cannot return a Qualifying Score
for handicap purposes and his score must not be included in the Competition Scratch Score calculation.
Subject to the provisions of Clause 2 and with permission from the Committee in charge of the
competition the marker may return a Supplementary Score.

Are those that say they trust everyone saying that the above should be ignored and are happy with the whole field doing this. Just trying to get my head around this.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ive had several situations over the years where my card and the persons card I'm marking haven't agreed and you need the 2 cards to agree or find out where the difference is. If only one person is marking all the cards it is difficult to agree

Have had them also Chris

When we play social we have one person doing the card for everyone - if there is a score people aren't sure of then there is a discussion to make sure the right score is found and sorted.

 

[chrisd]

Have had them also Chris

When we play social we have one person doing the card for everyone - if there is a score people aren't sure of then there is a discussion to make sure the right score is found and sorted.

I'm not referring to social golf Phil

 

[bladeplayer]

Are those that say they trust everyone saying that the above should be ignored and are happy with the whole field doing this. Just trying to get my head around this.

I can only account for the honesty of the guys I play with .. as I say we would know most of the time what we were all shooting but just confirm it walking off the green ..

Most of our comps are NOT drawn . you could have a group all marking individual cards & writing down incorrect scores , if people wana cheat or facilitate others cheating , they will do it no mater what ?

Have you ever counted the clubs in a fellow players bag ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not referring to social golf Phil

And as I said I would still be happy for one person to do it in comp golf.

 

[Old Skier]

I can only account for the honesty of the guys I play with .. as I say we would know most of the time what we were all shooting but just confirm it walking off the green ..

Most of our comps are NOT drawn . you could have a group all marking individual cards & writing down incorrect scores , if people wana cheat or facilitate others cheating , they will do it no mater what ?

Have you ever counted the clubs in a fellow players bag ?

You still hasn't said whether these are Q comps?

And yes I have counted the clubs in other players bags, usually my team members in county team comps to avoid any issues.

 

[chrisd]

And as I said I would still be happy for one person to do it in comp golf.

..... and I certainly wouldn't

 

[bladeplayer]

You still hasn't said whether these are Q comps?

And yes I have counted the clubs in other players bags, usually my team members in county team comps to avoid any issues.

Covered in post #21 il let you scroll back to check .............. just kidding the last 5 words being most important

Yep , regularly , and ive never cheated once

Do you also check you opposition teams bags ?


Apologies I actually meant in singles comps , do you walk over & check the amount of clubs in your groups bag before each competitive round ?

 

[Old Skier]

Covered in post #21 il let you scroll back to check .............. just kidding the last 5 words being most important




Do you also check you opposition teams bags ?


Apologies I actually meant in singles, do you walk over & check the amount of clubs in your groups bag before each competitive round ?

Checked 21 so now clear, you'll happily break a rule of golf.

Not really interested in the oppositions bag but in all honesty as most players don't have max number of clubs in the bag it is pretty obvious if a bag needs checking.

 

[bladeplayer]

Checked 21 so now clear, you'll happily break a rule of golf.

Not really interested in the oppositions bag but in all honesty as most players don't have max number of clubs in the bag it is pretty obvious if a bag needs checking.

So you trust your opposition to have the right number of clubs in their bag but you don't trust your mates not to cheat ,, ok ..

Out of curiosity & apologies if I missed it did we get clarity on the exact ruling ?



anyhow ive said my piece , we b just going around & around now ..