Scorecard rules

[jusme]

Noticed today that multiple cards were pinned on our boards showing why players where DQ for incorrect procedures with scorecard completion. Some of them struck me as strange and as a result I have been reading the rules/rules explained and decisions around it. Interesting.

My understanding is -

The players only responsibility is to record - handicap, gross score, sign and ensure marker signs. That ends the responsibility of the competitor.

At our club people are being DQ for not completing competition name, date, players name and not entering score into computer. From what I have read all these are incorrect DQ's.

As a side note it appears that you can do your own scorecard as long as a marker attests to the recorded scores by signing it. Who would, I know, but I am only interested in the actual ruling and not spirit of the game

 

[rulefan]

Noticed today that multiple cards were pinned on our boards showing why players where DQ for incorrect procedures with scorecard completion. Some of them struck me as strange and as a result I have been reading the rules/rules explained and decisions around it. Interesting.

My understanding is -

The players only responsibility is to record - handicap, gross score, sign and ensure marker signs. That ends the responsibility of the competitor.

At our club people are being DQ for not completing competition name, date, players name and not entering score into computer. From what I have read all these are incorrect DQ's.

As a side note it appears that you can do your own scorecard as long as a marker attests to the recorded scores by signing it. Who would, I know, but I am only interested in the actual ruling and not spirit of the game

You are absolutely correct.

CONGU has this:

Dec.1(m) Competition conditions that apply solely to the UHS
Q. The administration of handicapping has become increasingly the domain of the computer resulting in Handicap Committees requiring competitors to provide assistance in various ways beyond that required by the Rules of Golf. These include:
• total the score and apply the correct handicap;
• enter and total Stableford points on their card;
• on completion of the round enter scores hole by hole into a computer terminal;
• enter on the scorecard their computer reference number;
• indicate on the card scores to be adjusted by the application of Nett Double Bogey or the Stableford formula;
Can the Committee in charge of the competition, or Handicap Committee, impose a penalty under the Rules of Golf when a player fails to comply with a request of the nature listed above?
A. R&A Rules Limited has confirmed that ’provided a player fulfils the requirements of Rule 6-6 a penalty cannot be imposed under the Rules of Golf for failure to comply with these conditions. However, imposing a penalty of a disciplinary nature, such as suspension of handicap is not considered to be contrary to the Rules of Golf.’ An alternative penalty would be to suspend the player’s right to compete in club competitions for a specified period. (See R&A Decisions on the Rules of Golf, Decision 6-6b/8).

And from the R&A

[h=2]6-6b/8[/h] [h=4]Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer[/h]Q.May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?
A.No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b.
However, while it is not permissible to penalize a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a "club regulation" to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g., ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation.

and this:
[FONT=&quot]33-1/7 [FONT=&quot]Making Competitors Responsible for Adding Scores
[/FONT]Q.May the Committee make it a condition of a competition that competitors are responsible for the addition of scores?
A.No. Such a condition would modify Rule 33-5.
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[jusme]

Thanks rulefan....just wanted to confirm what I understood as accurate before I take on my club

 

[bladeplayer]

Thanks rulefan....just wanted to confirm what I understood as accurate before I take on my club

Let us know how u go .. ive encounterd this b4

 

[rulefan]

In addition 33-5 says:

Note: The Committee may request that each competitor records the date and his name on his score card.

The committee cannot issue it as an instruction.

 

[OnTour]

Interesting how would the handicap sec work out if the card was for that comp if it has limited info. or say you put a general card in Friday then entered the comp Sat (so your on the start /paid sheet) You win the comp with Fridays card as it's not dated or has little info?

Both signed by the same marker?

It's not hard to enter the info in the boxes provided? Then again my BAD i keep forgetting to sign mine (Memory loss at 45)

 

[rulefan]

Interesting how would the handicap sec work out if the card was for that comp if it has limited info.

That's the Committee's responsibility. See Rule 33-5

 

[jusme]

Interesting how would the handicap sec work out if the card was for that comp if it has limited info. or say you put a general card in Friday then entered the comp Sat (so your on the start /paid sheet) You win the comp with Fridays card as it's not dated or has little info?

Both signed by the same marker?

It's not hard to enter the info in the boxes provided? Then again my BAD i keep forgetting to sign mine (Memory loss at 45)

Not hard at all, and I think it's only courteous to do so, however the post was about what the club should and should not be doing according to the rules. Our club is DQ players for not doing so (no one is doing it on purpose - 99% are entering all the information requested and the rest just forget) and that is totally wrong to do so.

I have seen clubs that discipline internally for not doing as requested and I have no issue with that - all players should be doing as requested to assist the committees...so discipline away, that is your right, but you have no right whatsoever to DQ someone for something that is not against the rules of golf

 

[OnTour]

thankless job handicap sec, surely for ease he just needs the info adding to save him time and effort 150+ cards because there not filled in correctly is a pain surely? can the club not have there own ruling on how it should be done? eg filled in etc

 

[rulefan]

thankless job handicap sec, surely for ease he just needs the info adding to save him time and effort 150+ cards because there not filled in correctly is a pain surely? can the club not have there own ruling on how it should be done? eg filled in etc

See post #2

The club cannot make any rule that requires the player to do more than the Rules of Golf specify.

However, they can have a club regulation which requires it. But they cannot apply a golfing penalty (DQ or strokes). The club may take disciplinary action (eg temporary suspension of playing rights, barring fro entry in the next x comps)