Ruling please!

[backwoodsman]

I have been known to stamp as hard as I can on a repeat offenders ball, sinking it quite some way into the fairway, then watch them try and dig it out with a wedge! Numpties. :thup:

Why would they try hacking it out? If they saw you do it, then they could replace the ball in its original position (or near as). If they did not see you do it, then they could assume it was plugged it its own pitch mark and take relief.

Nah. There's better ways of getting revenge.

 

[Craigg]

Why would they try hacking it out? If they saw you do it, then they could replace the ball in its original position (or near as). If they did not see you do it, then they could assume it was plugged it its own pitch mark and take relief.

Nah. There's better ways of getting revenge.

Pray tell where I used the words " hack it out"?

 

[backwoodsman]

Pray tell where I used the words " hack it out"?

I say tomato, you say tomato, let's call the whole thing off...

 

[ruff-driver]

The group from the OP are very obviously not posters on this forum, or they would have known that the accepted method is to write a simple 4-letter noun on the ball with a sharpie? :thup:

I've seen a business card placed under an offending ball, face down,
the wording reads " Two shot penalty for lifting your ball without marking, now back off! "

 

[Spuddy]

I've seen a business card placed under an offending ball, face down,
the wording reads " Two shot penalty for lifting your ball without marking, now back off! "

Quite clever, but wrong. You can just lift the ball, remove the card and drop it as close to where it was as possible without penalty.

 

[North Mimms]

And i just asked what else can you do apart from approaching them and asking them to not hit the balls towards you ? Beyond speaking to them and then inform any marshall and then the club what else can we do ?

I've been known to turn round and yell "FORE!" back at those on the tee.
For a woman, my yells of fore are suprisingly loud and deep!

 

[Foxholer]

Many a post, but none actually answering the original question of "what's the ruling". The score stands.

One for the Committee to sort out, I'd say.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've been known to turn round and yell "FORE!" back at those on the tee.
For a woman, my yells of fore are suprisingly loud and deep!

Yep that's a response I have used as well

 

[6inchcup]

What would you suggest the player in front does? Walk down the fairway for a word? Wait until after the round and speak to them then? Phone the club and complain?

no the correct course of action is to take app club and hit said players ball as far into the clag as possible,then chuckle as they look for it were they thought it had landed,then the slow march back to the tee,i think it is in the rules:fore:

 

[Craigg]

I say tomato, you say tomato, let's call the whole thing off...

Ah, but a tomato is a tomato, whereas a dig is not a hack. It's ok to admit you dived into the post without thinking...it happens. We're all human.

 

[Colin L]

One for the Committee to sort out, I'd say.

His ball was moved by an outside agency without his knowing about it. He plays his ball as it lies and so he holes out in 1 and his score for the round stands. Decision 18-1/3 applies.
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-18,d18-1-3

And if that made him win by one stroke over the guy who put his ball in the hole, he has the last laugh.

Apologies if someone has already said that - I haven’t read the whole thread.

 

[3offTheTee]

Well said Colin. It took 49 posts of bickering before the answer was achieved!!!

 

[Three]

His ball was moved by an outside agency without his knowing about it. He plays his ball as it lies and so he holes out in 1 and his score for the round stands. Decision 18-1/3 applies.
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-18,d18-1-3

And if that made him win by one stroke over the guy who put his ball in the hole, he has the last laugh.

Apologies if someone has already said that - I haven’t read the whole thread.

Colin

Although the decision you quote is relevant, I find it hard to believe that this would be the correct answer in an official tournament.
The reason I say this is that 4 fellow competitors know that the guy's ball was deliberately picked up and put in the hole.

That Decision cannot be the last word, surely??

 

[North Mimms]

His ball was moved by an outside agency without his knowing about it. He plays his ball as it lies and so he holes out in 1 and his score for the round stands. Decision 18-1/3 applies.
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-18,d18-1-3

And if that made him win by one stroke over the guy who put his ball in the hole, he has the last laugh.

Apologies if someone has already said that - I haven’t read the whole thread.

Karma!

 

[Colin L]

Colin

Although the decision you quote is relevant, I find it hard to believe that this would be the correct answer in an official tournament.
The reason I say this is that 4 fellow competitors know that the guy's ball was deliberately picked up and put in the hole.

That Decision cannot be the last word, surely??

What else would you suggest and what would be the applicable rule? This player has done absolutely nothing wrong; he has played out his round in accordance with the Rules. Why should he in any way lose out because of the behaviour of the other players? Had it been the other way round - his tee shot finishing a tap-in from the hole and the other guys moving his ball to the edge of the green - my answer would be the same. He has to play it as it lies. It’s irrelevant where the moved ball finishes up: if the player doesn’t know it has been moved he has to take it as he finds it.

I’d agree, however, that this is not the last word. The last words should be reserved for the players who were responsible for the trick and should include words like "disqualified under Rule 33-7 for a serious breach of etiquette” and “ the Committee will be considering what disciplinary action will follow.."

 

[backwoodsman]

His ball was moved by an outside agency without his knowing about it. He plays his ball as it lies and so he holes out in 1 and his score for the round stands. Decision 18-1/3 applies.
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-18,d18-1-3

And if that made him win by one stroke over the guy who put his ball in the hole, he has the last laugh.

Apologies if someone has already said that - I haven’t read the whole thread.

Post 40?

Not quite as detailed but ...

 

[Colin L]

Post 40?

Not quite as detailed but ...

:thup:

As I said, I hadn’t read through the whole thread.

 

[Three]

What else would you suggest and what would be the applicable rule? This player has done absolutely nothing wrong; he has played out his round in accordance with the Rules. Why should he in any way lose out because of the behaviour of the other players? Had it been the other way round - his tee shot finishing a tap-in from the hole and the other guys moving his ball to the edge of the green - my answer would be the same. He has to play it as it lies. It’s irrelevant where the moved ball finishes up: if the player doesn’t know it has been moved he has to take it as he finds it.

I’d agree, however, that this is not the last word. The last words should be reserved for the players who were responsible for the trick and should include words like "disqualified under Rule 33-7 for a serious breach of etiquette” and “ the Committee will be considering what disciplinary action will follow.."

Hmmm OK.

On the basis that it is likely to never happen in a formal competition when witnessed by 4 other players, I would imagine there is no other option.

I was thinking along the lines of players in consecutive groups colluding to cheat, but I guess in reality that is too farfetched.

 

[backwoodsman]

:thup:

As I said, I hadn’t read through the whole thread.

Fair do - I did realise.

 

[gregers]

do what my wifes cousin did when we kept on getting driven over by a 3 ball,we had a 4 ball in front of us,we too were a 4 ball and we were keeping up with the group in front,after a few times the cousin went and had a word politely,bang kept on doing it,so he sent one of the balls back to them.
they marched up and shouting and spitting with venom poking the cousin in his chest giving it the big one,AND BANG cousin laid this guy out.the other 2 vanished back to the club house to get the pro,back he comes on a buggy.once everything was explained to him along with the 4 ball in front of us backing us up,he banned this group from the course.not the way it shouldve been handled but was extremely funny.