sydney greenstreet
Journeyman Pro
I always scan the fairway for divots when stood on the tee then make sure I stay out of them
I aim for the divots then I know there is no chance of hitting them.
rules you'd like to see changed
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I aim for the divots then I know there is no chance of hitting them.
sydney greenstreet
Journeyman Pro
2 for me, ball plugged in the rough and spike marks on the green both unfair
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
If you could repair spike marks then some players would be tapping down the entire line of their putt. It would take ages.
Relief from a flooded bunker should not be a penalty. It's not my fault the course was built in a swamp. Especially if some are marked gur and others not.
Disagree with relief from divots. People cannot be trusted not to abuse it.
Have never seen why the pros get relief from plugged balls in the rough when we don't. It's bifurcation, which the r and a are supposed to be against.
Relief from a flooded bunker should not be a penalty. It's not my fault the course was built in a swamp. Especially if some are marked gur and others not.
Disagree with relief from divots. People cannot be trusted not to abuse it.
Have never seen why the pros get relief from plugged balls in the rough when we don't. It's bifurcation, which the r and a are supposed to be against.
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guest100718
Guest
The plugged ball bit is a local rule that the main tours have in play all year round.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
agree
however, re your last point, it's an option for competition committees under the rules; whether they choose to implement it or not is up to them ie not the R&A.
the reason some don't is that (unfortunately) judgement as to whether a ball is embedded off the fairway is sadly lacking, but the biggest issue is that any area it could happen should/would be marked as GUR.
if the conditions warrant it we will/do introduce it - have done twice in the last couple of years, and thought it likely this year but it's OK at the moment (although the water table is high and it wouldn't take much....)
put another way, I don't have a problem with it being the norm!
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guest100718
Guest
How flooded would the bunker have to be in order to get relief? Its another rule I could see being easily abused. They are a hazard after all.
SGC001
Challenge Tour Pro
I'd give relief for plugged balls outside of hazards as I see it as a course condition problem as opposed to a player induced issue.
I recall the incident with Sorenstam in the Solheim having to replay a shot after chipping in. Iirc the opponents seemed quite happy to let her play and didn't look interested in playing their ball at the time. I didn't like that incident, I think if you notice the situation and think it's your turn, then you should speak up at the time and if you don't you should lose the right to recall it. It'd be a difficult one to police as it'd be intention, but other rules are about intention.
I'd be tempted to go for something like a wound ball limit (they never seemed quite as hot) at pro and elite amateur levels or across the game giving manufactures and amateurs time similar to the groove rule implementation. Either that or make a rule saying that architects had to come up with something other than just length to 'toughen' up a course.
I recall the incident with Sorenstam in the Solheim having to replay a shot after chipping in. Iirc the opponents seemed quite happy to let her play and didn't look interested in playing their ball at the time. I didn't like that incident, I think if you notice the situation and think it's your turn, then you should speak up at the time and if you don't you should lose the right to recall it. It'd be a difficult one to police as it'd be intention, but other rules are about intention.
I'd be tempted to go for something like a wound ball limit (they never seemed quite as hot) at pro and elite amateur levels or across the game giving manufactures and amateurs time similar to the groove rule implementation. Either that or make a rule saying that architects had to come up with something other than just length to 'toughen' up a course.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
:thup:
(although some courses are already doing this on a hole by hole basis, and it works really well - 2 peg boards and a load of bags, leave the tee with a full bag and hang it up when you get to the green. boards moved every few hours and the course gets fully refreshed in a week. restart cycle)
you will of course get people on here suggesting this isn't a valid solution because they now have to play of a patch of sandy soil and seed instead of grass.........
We've a board by the first and encouraged to take a bag and then refill on the par 3's out of the box on the tee. have to say the fairways look brilliant now with all the divots filled in with the mixture.
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MetalMickie
Guest
A comparable increase would only see the diameter change from 4.25 to 4.4 inches as the ball size increased from 1.62 to 1.68 inches.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
Some days I would take that!
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MetalMickie
Guest
So that's two of us then!
I know flooded bunkers has been referred to, specifically taking relief from the bunker in its entirety, but it is the requirement to take a drop in a bunker from casual water which really gets my goat. If the bunker is wet enough to have standing water, it follows that by dropping within the confines of the bunker to take relief you will playing your next from a plugged lie. You should be able to roll it out a turn, or place.
Yer Maw
Head Pro
1. loose impediments in bunkers should be allowed to be moved.
2. make the same rule apply for what is the out of bounds and water hazard lines and what constitutes in/over or out/in play.
3. tapping down spike marks- I honestly don't think people will tap everything down as there are still speed of play guidelines.
4. instead of a recommendation on what club to be used for your drop it should be any iron from 4 upwards, or the club you are 'most likely' to play with, but this is abused now.
5. a one shot penalty for all infringements instead 1 for a bad shot and 2 for breaking a rule.
2. make the same rule apply for what is the out of bounds and water hazard lines and what constitutes in/over or out/in play.
3. tapping down spike marks- I honestly don't think people will tap everything down as there are still speed of play guidelines.
4. instead of a recommendation on what club to be used for your drop it should be any iron from 4 upwards, or the club you are 'most likely' to play with, but this is abused now.
5. a one shot penalty for all infringements instead 1 for a bad shot and 2 for breaking a rule.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
There is probably a reason for this, but why can you not test bunkers? The courses I have played vary so much that it seems ridiculous, one could be inches deep of sand, another is a thin layer of sand over rock! In my head I know it's a hazard, but you should have an idea of what it is, no?
Andy808
Tour Winner
No, it's a hazard, pick your shot and take it. As for the depth of sand you can get a pretty good idea from the look of the bunker and how your feet sink into the sand as you walk across it and take your stance.
Personally spike marks on your line is one. It wouldn't take long to tap the odd one or two that are on your line as most people wear soft cleats now and it's not a problem.
Second is taking a drop for a plugged lie in the rough. If it's good enough for the pros then surely it's good enough for us. The people that will push this rule to the limit are the ones that will cheat anyway and probably lift the ball for identification and not put it back in it's plugged lie.
Because until last weekend you were rarely on them
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
The ball size change was 1.52mm (0.06")
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
That's a bit harsh Homer, my success rate on hitting the fairway when laying up or chipping out of the clag is really quite high
Colin L
Tour Winner
I'm not clear what you mean and don't see the problem. You determine the nearest point of relief using the club you would have used for the stroke had the obstruction/ground condition not been there. You can then measure the one club length within which the ball must strike the course with any club. And you don't have to play with the club you used to determine the NPR. There is no restriction on what you use for measuring clublengths for an unplayable ball, length of teeing ground, lateral water hazard ......
