Rules infringement

[evahakool]

Played in a open comp. last week at a differant course to mine and was paired up with a member,after playing a poor tee shot this member found my ball in the rough, after confirming with him that i could take my ball back as far as i wanted but it must be in a direct line with the flag under penalty so proceded to do this.

So a few holes later said member hit a poor tee shot on a par 3 and landed 40 yards short in the rough i found his ball, wasnt good so he said he would take a penalty drop but instead of going back in a direct line with the flag he went back around 8 yards to the left got a good drop then hit his shot onto the green.

He wasnt on a good score so i didnt say anything,but it annoyed me at the time as i know he knew the rules.

Not sure what i would have done if he was on a good score, if i would have said something i would have been put in a position of calling him a cheat. Why when players know the rules cant they stick to them?

 

[Ethan]

Bad dropping is probably one of the most common rule infringements. Some people think that a drop entitles them to a good lie and clear shot, but it does not. 2 or more penalty drops may be needed to get out of trouble.

 

[Tommo21]

Big problem this, in a medal I pulled up a guy who picked up his ball from in the trees, walked out until he had a clear shot, dropped the ball and went on his merry way. Not too happy when Tommo put him in the picture. But I took a penalty shot he said...What a dip, and his playing partners were none the wiser or couldnt care. Yesterday, in an open comp, one of the guys I was playing with hit his ball on the beach, was ready to play a prov, I said if you hit another it will be your ball in play. Not too happy he went to his ball on the beach put his club on the ground for a penalty and had no clue it was a penalty. This guy then took a penalty drop, that was fine, put his ball on the green to then three putt and claim a 6. I told the guy that was scoring his card it was a 7 after grounding his club. The guy was not happy and walked off the course. It's not my intention to spell out the rules, but this guy has been playing for about 35 years FFS and he had no clue. By the way, he was scoring well....but what do you do.

 

[hacknslash]

Can you explain why there was a penalty stroke for grounding his club? He wasn't in a bunker and unless there is a local rule to say thet the beach is counted as a hazard I can't see the difference between being on the beach and being on an adjacent fairway.

 

[beggsy]

the beach would be a lateral water hazard as it was at pebble beach in the uspga

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I agree that a lot of club golfers seem to think that by taking a penalty they can then more or less drop it where they can get a shot. Fortunately I've not had to be in a position like Thommo for a long time (presume the beach was a hazard) and can see how in an Open it could cause some serious friction but there is no excuse for not knowing the rules. If you are in doubt, surely the golden rule is to ask before touching the ball, consulting the rule book and if possible asking for a ruling

 

[Tommo21]

Can you explain why there was a penalty stroke for grounding his club? He wasn't in a bunker and unless there is a local rule to say thet the beach is counted as a hazard I can't see the difference between being on the beach and being on an adjacent fairway.

Mmmm, nothing to do with a local rule, you cannot ground your club in a lateral water hazard, it is the rule.

 

[Tommo21]

He wasnt on a good score so i didnt say anything,but it annoyed me at the time as i know he knew the rules.

Not sure what i would have done if he was on a good score, if i would have said something i would have been put in a position of calling him a cheat. Why when players know the rules cant they stick to them?

My opinion, good score or bad score, it's still the same. CSS can also be effected by these guys and I have no problem with pointing these things out. Oh, you should never feel you're calling anyone a cheat. Just say you cant drop it there and tell him why.

 

[evahakool]

Thats a good point about the css never thought of that, if there is a few players doing the same as you say could alter the css.

So if it happens again i will speak up,just annoyed me as the guy knew the rules,then again by my not saying anything he will carry on doing it.

 

[Leftie]

Played in an inter-club vets friendly (4BBB) today. Yeh! I know, I don't look old enough (shut up Murph!)

On one hole both our opponents drove to the right into 2nd cut. Looking for the balls, one said " I've found a Pinnacle" (or words similar) and pocketed the ball. The (possible) owner of the ball said that it was his, said that he better drop it, and continued with his game.

Surely, loss of hole ???????????

Come on! These guys have been playing golf for 30/40/50 years

Fortunately I sunk my putt to take the hole otherwise I might have had to say something.

On another hole, I was just off the green and asked the the flag to be attended as I've had the odd one or two hitting the flag and not dropping.

Are you sure about this was the response from the guy who had been a member at the club for at least 35 years and secretary for 16 of those.

Yes!!! I've got a rule book here somewhere .. You find where it says I can't :mad

Ggrrrrrhhhhh ........... :

 

[19th]

Now Leftie...I think you should read your footnote!

 

[Leftie]

Nah! I'm quite relaxed about it all really - just ask some of the Forum guys I've played with over the last couple of years (shut up murph!).

Like today, I played in one of our club KO comps against a committee member who is heavily involved in the Kent inter club KO comps who really should know the rules. On 3 occasions, he hit a wild shot off the tee into the bunda, played a good provisional and as we got near to where his first ball(s) would have been he "declared it(them) lost".

I really couldn't be ar3ed

 

[Owen_Thomas_14]

Nah! I'm quite relaxed about it all really - just ask some of the Forum guys I've played with over the last couple of years (shut up murph!).

Like today, I played in one of our club KO comps against a committee member who is heavily involved in the Kent inter club KO comps who really should know the rules. On 3 occasions, he hit a wild shot off the tee into the bunda, played a good provisional and as we got near to where his first ball(s) would have been he "declared it(them) lost".

I really couldn't be ar3ed

The question is: did you win though??

 

[Leftie]

Unfortunately not

Just 1 down after the front 9 but then he played the next 7 holes 1 over gross No contest.

 

[Region3]

Nah! I'm quite relaxed about it all really - just ask some of the Forum guys I've played with over the last couple of years (shut up murph!).

Like today, I played in one of our club KO comps against a committee member who is heavily involved in the Kent inter club KO comps who really should know the rules. On 3 occasions, he hit a wild shot off the tee into the bunda, played a good provisional and as we got near to where his first ball(s) would have been he "declared it(them) lost".

I really couldn't be ar3ed

I didn't think he was under any obligation to spend 5 minutes searching for his ball, but you can if you want to?

It would have to be really wild stuff to not be better off finding it then hacking out or taking a penalty, then still having another hit before he's had 3 like he has with his provisional.

 

[ColinR]

Nah! I'm quite relaxed about it all really - just ask some of the Forum guys I've played with over the last couple of years (shut up murph!).

Like today, I played in one of our club KO comps against a committee member who is heavily involved in the Kent inter club KO comps who really should know the rules. On 3 occasions, he hit a wild shot off the tee into the bunda, played a good provisional and as we got near to where his first ball(s) would have been he "declared it(them) lost".

I really couldn't be ar3ed

Whats wrong with that ? He does not have to spend the whole 5 mins looking for it.

 

[Leftie]

Whats wrong with that ? He does not have to spend the whole 5 mins looking for it.

He doesn't have to spend any time looking for it! All he has to do is walk up to the provisional and play it (past the spot where his original ball might be) and that then becomes the ball in play. If, however, I had been ar3ed, I could have looked for the ball and if I found it before he played the next shot with the provisional he would have to have played it whether or not he had "declared it lost". As discussed many times before, declaring a ball lost has no meaning.

The reason he did it btw was because two of the occasions were on par 3's where he stuffed the provisionals stone dead and on the other he hit one of the best drives of the day and on each occasion he couldn't have done any better even if he had found the originals..