Rory out of PGA

[sawtooth]

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i would argue two of your list .
Seve retired ,bad back. Player ,the godfather of gym fitness.
now which one of those two fit your criteria?

First I am not saying muscle mass contributed to Rory's injury problem although its a possibility. I'm just saying that bulking up like he has almost certainly messed up his natural swing. He would have won those majors and probably more if he had just left himself alone IMO.

Gary Player although fit as a fiddle was hardly a body builder.

 

[richy]

because his not a boy anymore. your not in your anabolic prime until your mid 30's so hell probably continue to fill out.

rory has the best team around him. there is no way his gym work is causing him injuries. in fact a would argue that his gym work is preventing injuries

people on this forum that are claiming his gym work is detrimental to his game are (in my opinion) deluded. no one on this forum is even remotely qualified to give make that statement and yet whole heartedly believe it over a team of highly trained professionals

I haven't said his gym work is causing him injuries. All I am saying is he isn't the size he is without a gym routine designed to increase muscle mass.

 

[richy]

the golfers you mention wouldn't stand a chance in todays field. that's just my opinion of course.

How you can seriously think that is astonishing

 

[hovis]

First I am not saying muscle mass contributed to Rory's injury problem although its a possibility. I'm just saying that bulking up like he has almost certainly messed up his natural swing. He would have won those majors and probably more if he had just left himself alone IMO.

Gary Player although fit as a fiddle was hardly a body builder.

in the nicest possible way. what makes you qualified to say that rorys swing has been effected by his increased mass? if its your opinion surely you have to accept that people who work with rory who are encouraging him are vastly more qualified than yourself and i.

 

[pendodave]

Maybe he's hurt, maybe he isn't. I just get the feeling that the US based players aren't that fussed about coming back for a week between the Players and the US open. I'm sure if it was a major he'd be teeing it up next Thursday.

 

[hovis]

Maybe he's hurt, maybe he isn't. I just get the feeling that the US based players aren't that fussed about coming back for a week between the Players and the US open. I'm sure if it was a major he'd be teeing it up next Thursday.

you could be right but he flew all the way back and had his scan.

 

[Slab]

The middle ground between going to the gym or not, is going and doing the right amount of work at the right time

I posted this on the other Rory thread about joining TM



"I had the injury, and then I played a few, I played three out of four weeks or four out of five or whatever it was leading up to Augusta," McIlroy said last week. "Then I took a little bit of time off so my body adapted and got used to playing and practicing again.
"I took three weeks off, and then I went back at it begin on Friday [before the Players] and instead of maybe gradually building it up again, I hit balls for four or five hours on Friday and did the same on Saturday. I felt a bit of stiffness on Sunday, hit a couple of drives that didn't feel quite right. So I maybe should have just taken it a bit easier over the weekend, but I was excited to get back, excited to get ready to play again and so maybe just being a little over keen was a detriment."


Excitement led to him overdoing it and no one telling him to ease up means he misses out on a tournament

 

[sawtooth]

in the nicest possible way. what makes you qualified to say that rorys swing has been effected by his increased mass? if its your opinion surely you have to accept that people who work with rory who are encouraging him are vastly more qualified than yourself and i.

It's only my opinion I made that quite clear. To me it stands to reason that if a young whippersnapper has a brilliant swing then why run the risk of messing it up by artficially building muscle mass? Some of these people are experts no doubt but all have a living to make and ned to justify their existence I guess.

If it ain't broke leave it alone. I like Rory I'm just frustrated that he is doing his best to screw his game up. Yes earning loads of money with sponsorship and top 20 finishes etc but will probably not get anywhere near Nicklaus or Woods in terms of majors when IMO he should have.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's only my opinion I made that quite clear. To me it stands to reason that if a young whippersnapper has a brilliant swing then why run the risk of messing it up by artficially building muscle mass? Some of these people are experts no doubt but all have a living to make and ned to justify their existence I guess.

If it ain't broke leave it alone. I like Rory I'm just frustrated that he is doing his best to screw his game up. Yes earning loads of money with sponsorship and top 20 finishes etc but will probably not get anywhere near Nicklaus or Woods in terms of majors when IMO he should have.

He is doing exactly what he was doing to help him win his last two majors and Fed ex he hasn't changed anything dramatic in the last 4/5 years - so as your statement says he is leaving it alone and following his same routine. The routine that has won him massive comps and got him to number 1 - are you deliberately ignoring that fact ?

 

[JT77]

I listened to the Feherty podcast with Rory from last year yesterday whilst out running, its pretty good, in it he explains why he has built muscle, he and his team use a mass of scientific and biometric information to get him where he wants to be, his speed was and still is fantastic, but he wasn't strong enough to control it, he was actually slowing down, 1.5 feet from the ball in order to cope, so he built muscle in his lower half to allow for better stability and control.

 

[drdel]

In theory better (stronger) muscle can reduce the load on joints and tendons. Bones and tendons don't grow/change at nearly the same rate.

The trouble can be that the person then uses this added strength to increase the performance (e.g. swing harder) this increases the load on the skeletal frame which CAN lead to joint/tendon issues.

The high loads may accentuate repetitive stress which can also become an issue as many top flight sports people are discovering.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He is doing exactly what he was doing to help him win his last two majors and Fed ex he hasn't changed anything dramatic in the last 4/5 years - so as your statement says he is leaving it alone and following his same routine. The routine that has won him massive comps and got him to number 1 - are you deliberately ignoring that fact ?

Or just maybe his body is no longer able to maintain what he's done previously and is now causing issues, just because it worked in the past doesn't mean it will continue.
We all want to see Rory dominate in the future, but who knows if his fitness regime will help or hinder in the future.

 

[sawtooth]

He is doing exactly what he was doing to help him win his last two majors and Fed ex he hasn't changed anything dramatic in the last 4/5 years - so as your statement says he is leaving it alone and following his same routine. The routine that has won him massive comps and got him to number 1 - are you deliberately ignoring that fact ?

He would have most likely won those majors anyway and probably sooner had he just been his natural self.

You place a lot of trust in his professionals and advisors and I get that. They are after all 'qualified'

Me I'm a great believer in mother nature and don't agree with interference from a totally unnatural work out regime. If it was just swimming, running and such then fine. But I don't see why you would want to take a perfectly natural swing which is poetry in motion and start messing with the body to try and make it even better!? I don't see the benefit to a golf swing by having bulging biceps and a 40 inch neck. It wasn't there before when he hit the ball 300 yards, why is it needed now?

It's like a young, naturally beautiful model having plastic surgery and we all know how that would work out in the end.

It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[richy]

Or just maybe his body is no longer able to maintain what he's done previously and is now causing issues, just because it worked in the past doesn't mean it will continue.
We all want to see Rory dominate in the future, but who knows if his fitness regime will help or hinder in the future.

Very good point

 

[richy]

It's only my opinion I made that quite clear. To me it stands to reason that if a young whippersnapper has a brilliant swing then why run the risk of messing it up by artficially building muscle mass? Some of these people are experts no doubt but all have a living to make and ned to justify their existence I guess.

If it ain't broke leave it alone. I like Rory I'm just frustrated that he is doing his best to screw his game up. Yes earning loads of money with sponsorship and top 20 finishes etc but will probably not get anywhere near Nicklaus or Woods in terms of majors when IMO he should have.

I don't think he would've got anywhere near woods with or without the gym routine.

 

[hovis]

i dont see how any of you can even justify your own opinions. you know nothing about rory, his gym routine, his swing, his genetic make up and the staff he is working with. so do you lot think that rory would have been better off if he'd come onto this forum for advise rather than seek the advice from professionals?


and there is no such thing as artificial muscle.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

i dont see how any of you can even justify your own opinions. you know nothing about rory, his gym routine, his swing, his genetic make up and the staff he is working with. so do you lot think that rory would have been better off if he'd come onto this forum for advise rather than seek the advice from professionals?


and there is no such thing as artificial muscle.

We can justify our opinion by the fact it's an open forum, are you saying everything posted on here should be 100% factual with nobody allowed a particular point of view.

I take it no professional sportsmen or women have ever made a mistake or been injured accidentally while trying to improve themselves?

It's opinions and just like we do with yours, your free to ignore or discuss them.

 

[richy]

i dont see how any of you can even justify your own opinions. you know nothing about rory, his gym routine, his swing, his genetic make up and the staff he is working with. so do you lot think that rory would have been better off if he'd come onto this forum for advise rather than seek the advice from professionals?


and there is no such thing as artificial muscle.

I don't think his gym routine has injured him however I bet there are golf coaches and fitness experts out there that think his workouts are doing damage to his swing and body.

 

[Dan2501]

Rory's not building tons of muscle mass like Tiger. Tiger got obsessed with heavy, heavy weight lifting, they're not remotely similar. Rory said last year that the work he's been doing in the gym has been to help him prevent injuries. Also, the improved mobility and strength he's gained from the gym work has allowed him to swing within himself but maintain his distance, which in-turn, helps his body as he's putting less strain on it. He's just been unlucky to have picked up an injury to a part of the body which is difficult to shake off and easy to re-hurt if you don't give your body long enough to recover. Once he's healthy though, Rory will continue the gym work, and continue to win big tournaments.

 

[hovis]

We can justify our opinion by the fact it's an open forum, are you saying everything posted on here should be 100% factual with nobody allowed a particular point of view.

I take it no professional sportsmen or women have ever made a mistake or been injured accidentally while trying to improve themselves?

It's opinions and just like we do with yours, your free to ignore or discuss them.

in not having a dig so keep your nickers on. I just think that in this area its stupid to even think that you might be onto something. i am 100% confident that rory has people around him that are more qualified than anyone on this forum. People saying his gym routine has spoilt his swing is just stupid. if he swing was being ruined then rory and his team would know and take action. can't see them checking golf forums for advice