Rooney, greatest ever England striker?

Fish said:
That may well be, but mocking a personal affliction is a bridge too far IMO, whether we think he's a knob or not, and his employers have put him in this position after all, we should concentrate our disapproval more towards them shouldn't we?
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Like the FA are going to listen :rolleyes:
 
Stuart_C said:
I'm pretty sure his £3m severance pay will erase the bitterness if he had any.

He had a chance, shame it was 4 months too long but hey ho. I better not carry on with this as I don't want Homer getting upset because this post isn't relevant to OP.
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Any chance of you lot losing the bitterness towards him anytime soon?

Can't see it tbh.
 
Not for me. Not enough goals against the top teams in qualifiers and finals. Lineker top scorer in 86 world cup another 4 in 90 world cup.
Although not a better all round player than Rooney he he was goal poacher and a box player and scored in the big games.
Shearer was a class act and could score great goals and messy goals and I would have him in my all time England team.
 
pauldj42 said:
Starting off I don't believe Rooney is Englands greatest striker, to me Lineker or Shearer would get the shout, regardless of goals scored.
But for those mentioning Greaves and Charlton and the quality of the opposition they both played when we had the Home internationals every year. Nearly 25% of Greaves international appearances were against the home Nations and a lot of his goals came against Scotland, N Ireland and Wales season after season, he scored hat tricks against Luxembourg, played in England teams that put 6 past Switzerland, 9 past Scotland, 6 past Norway, 8 past N Ireland. He only scored 4 goals in actual World/European cups and 3 came against Luxembourg
Over 30% of Charlton's goals came against the Home Nations. Only 14 of Charlton's goals came in Competition and 5 of them were against Luxembourg.

Wayne Rooney has scored 34 Goals in World/European Comps
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Many of Rooneys goals were against opposition on a par with the home countries in the era that Greaves played , it's difficult to compare players from different eras but IMO if Greaves had played the same number of games as Rooney in any time frame he would be way ahead of him in terms of goals.
 
evahakool said:
Many of Rooneys goals were against opposition on a par with the home countries in the era that Greaves played , it's difficult to compare players from different eras but IMO if Greaves had played the same number of games as Rooney in any time frame he would be way ahead of him in terms of goals.
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Not doubting Greaves ability, but the same could be said in reverse, the scorelines in Greavsie's day seems to suggest the home nations were a lot worse.
 
pauldj42 said:
Not doubting Greaves ability, but the same could be said in reverse, the scorelines in Greavsie's day seems to suggest the home nations were a lot worse.
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Or that greaves played in a much better team....

impossible to really tell for anyone who's not watched the. Both play quite a few times.

Personally i think rooney is harshly treated because he was touted as the next best thing and messi and ronaldo have taken game to another level completely.
Hed still grace most top teams Imo.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Thank god he's got the record and we can move on from all the hot air these commentators and "experts" have spouted about it. About time he did it in a major final when it counts
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You sound like Phil about Hodgson😜
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Not at all. It's just that from kick off until he scored it was all they talked about even when the game was going on. At least we can get back to listening to them droning on about something equally inane. Where have all the good commentators and pundits gone?
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Mate, if you watched the game you've just witnessed history, first player to score 50 goals for England, the game was a nothing as we'd qualified, what did you expect them to talk about?
 
pauldj42 said:
Mate, if you watched the game you've just witnessed history, first player to score 50 goals for England, the game was a nothing as we'd qualified, what did you expect them to talk about?
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Agree, the record has stood for something like 45 years.:eek: Beats talking about your latest round or the size of holes.:whistle:
 
Who were England playing during Charlton's era, and who have England been playing during Rooney's time with England? Granted, Rooney can only score against what's in front of him but I hardly think the San Marino's and Andorra's he's faced equate to England's regular opposition of 40yrs ago. 50 goals, over 30 of which have been in competitive matches but, for me, its rather hollow compared to Charlton's feats.

Maybe when Rooney reaches 60 or 70 goals...
 
At the end of the day it's nigh on impossible to compare eras in anything.
Can we not just celebrate that he has become the leading scorer?
Why does there have to be a best....?
 
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