Rooney, greatest ever England striker?

Hobbit said:
Who were England playing during Charlton's era, and who have England been playing during Rooney's time with England? Granted, Rooney can only score against what's in front of him but I hardly think the San Marino's and Andorra's he's faced equate to England's regular opposition of 40yrs ago. 50 goals, over 30 of which have been in competitive matches but, for me, its rather hollow compared to Charlton's feats.

Maybe when Rooney reaches 60 or 70 goals...
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We still played Luxembourg and the home nations regularly in Charltons era. We were winning them games 5/6/7/8 nil. There were just as poor teams back then. Just time has passed and nostalgia clues the mind. Just like when people talk of golfs of a forgotten era and claim them better than any of today's offerings.
 
I'm old enough to have lived and watched through both careers and, quite honestly, they have both done equally well. Charlton played pretty much the same role all the time whereas Rooney has played in various positions but to judge one better than the other, for me, is not only impossible but pointless. I do think records are made to be broken though!
 
For me, in the people I've watched, it is Gary Lineker. He has the best ratio of goals per game, scored in the top competitions (1990 World Cup) and would have undoubtedly beaten the record of Graham Taylor hadn't fallen out of love with him.

Shearer and Owens after that as again they have performed in major tournaments. Rooney is a great player but not England's greatest ever striker.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Joe Baker.
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Guessing with his strong Scottish accent there may have been some communication 'issues' ;)...

Only a handful of games for England so hard to judge...

Got around 100 goals in about 150 games, for the Arsenal, so certainly knew where the back of the net was...
Did have his autograph but got 'mislaid' in a house move along with most of my footie memorabilia from my schooldays... Never quite forgiven my OH for that...
 
At this moment in time I am thinking he is the greatest ever plank.

He is captain of England's football team, God knows why. How does he behave. He gets bladdered on the night of the Scotland victory and shows his big fat shrek face at a wedding.
so a couple of months after the big fat Sam episode he gives the gutter press more Rammel to write. He is as thick as pig muck.
 
Tashyboy said:
At this moment in time I am thinking he is the greatest ever plank.

He is captain of England's football team, God knows why. How does he behave. He gets bladdered on the night of the Scotland victory and shows his big fat shrek face at a wedding.
so a couple of months after the big fat Sam episode he gives the gutter press more Rammel to write. He is as thick as pig muck.
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Bloke has beers and gets drunk at wedding! Sounds normal to me, why shouldn't he have a beer or 2 after a good win. Nothing story, typical of that sh1te paper.
 
Sorry, proper, serious athletes don't get in the state that Rooney is in. They just don't. And he isn't in the best shape of his life either. The time to get bladdered is after you retire. You think Mourinho is happy with this?
 
murphthemog said:
Sorry, proper, serious athletes don't get in the state that Rooney is in. They just don't. And he isn't in the best shape of his life either. The time to get bladdered is after you retire. You think Mourinho is happy with this?
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Apparently it appears he wasn't actually "bladdered" - it seems the article in that rag was embellishing the truth just a bit
 
murphthemog said:
Then don't give them the opportunity. It's not hard, and he is old enough to know better.
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Do they have to become saints hiding away ?

Or should we just not ignore the gutter press

By forcing people to not act like natural people the gutter press win

He just had a few drinks after a win - and that disgusting rag turned it into a story that people lap up
 
murphthemog said:
Then don't give them the opportunity. It's not hard, and he is old enough to know better.
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What about the morals of the people who supplied the picture?
He turned professional at 16, you're suggesting he doesn't relax and have a beer or 2 too many for over 20 years?, 8 days till his next game so easily recoverable. Rather have characters than robots in the sport
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do they have to become saints hiding away ?

Or should we just not ignore the gutter press

By forcing people to not act like natural people the gutter press win

He just had a few drinks after a win - and that disgusting rag turned it into a story that people lap up
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So he has " unreservedly" apologised for having a late night, just having a couple of drinks and a game of scrabble. Really. Now lets get one thing straight. I could not give two hoots if he has had a drink or skin full at home with Coleen and had a night of rumpy pumpy. The point is, he did it for all the world to see. He is thick. English football is embarrassing at the Moment. We don't even have a bloody manager or have you forgot that. English football is on its Spoty botty, and the captain who is the most senior member of that squad, the one that younger players look up to, and that is the example he sets. My thoughts on him in this instance are because he has been a plank.
Yesterday when he donated his Scotland shirt to a child who is terminal is the Rooney we want to see. Not one bladdered.
 
Tashyboy said:
So he has " unreservedly" apologised for having a late night, just having a couple of drinks and a game of scrabble. Really. Now lets get one thing straight. I could not give two hoots if he has had a drink or skin full at home with Coleen and had a night of rumpy pumpy. The point is, he did it for all the world to see. He is thick. English football is embarrassing at the Moment. We don't even have a bloody manager or have you forgot that. English football is on its Spoty botty, and the captain who is the most senior member of that squad, the one that younger players look up to, and that is the example he sets. My thoughts on him in this instance are because he has been a plank.
Yesterday when he donated his Scotland shirt to a child who is terminal is the Rooney we want to see. Not one bladdered.
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So it's only when he's publucly bladdered he's thick? In private it's OK, that still doesn't excuse the toilet paper from publishing it, Why did they publish, probably because some low life wanted to make a quick few quid, he wasn't in a public place, he was at a private location.
I'd of been annoyed if it had been before the game.
 
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If you read this about Stan Bowles, Rodney Marsh, Frank Worthington in the 70's, it would be "proper footballers, and they were all characters too".
 
Tashyboy said:
So he has " unreservedly" apologised for having a late night, just having a couple of drinks and a game of scrabble. Really. Now lets get one thing straight. I could not give two hoots if he has had a drink or skin full at home with Coleen and had a night of rumpy pumpy. The point is, he did it for all the world to see. He is thick. English football is embarrassing at the Moment. We don't even have a bloody manager or have you forgot that. English football is on its Spoty botty, and the captain who is the most senior member of that squad, the one that younger players look up to, and that is the example he sets. My thoughts on him in this instance are because he has been a plank.
Yesterday when he donated his Scotland shirt to a child who is terminal is the Rooney we want to see. Not one bladdered.
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The FA have told him to apologise , they have shown the same spineless attitude they normally do

He had a night out for goodness sake , he didn't do anything embarrassing, he didn't smash anything up , he didn't drive a golf buggy around the grove , he had a few drinks and allowed a few guests to take a few selfies with him. What exactly did he do wrong - nothing , nothing illegal, cops weren't called , wedding guests or hotel didn't complain

It should only matter if he was playing a game the next day but he wasn't - in fact not for another week

The reaction is pathetic - expected from the gutter press - that toilet paper have created a story out of nothing and people have sucked it up like they do with that rag
 
I don't have any time for any of the read tops least of all anything Murdoch, but he is supposedly a professional athlete so why shouldn't he respect his body as most others do? How many other professional athletes do you see out like that?

The problem really is more a societal thing, with so many adults saying a "good night out" is getting bladdered. So whilst I don't agree with his actions as someone who is an "athlete", he is no different in his actions and outlook than the vast majority of this country. That is the bigger worry.
 
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