Ronnie the failure

Liverpoolphil said:
No it doesn't "need" Swansea or indeed any other non English Club. No idea why they joined the English league in the 1900's all those years ago but it seems they earned the right to be where they are right now.

For Celtic or indeed any other club to enter the football league then they would need to start from the bottom rung of the ladder and work their way up.

Will be interesting to see why Doon thinks a UK league is the obvious answer ? When it isn't needed for the English leagues
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For starters the average attendances and TV money will be greatly increased,
 
Doon frae Troon said:
For starters the average attendances and TV money will be greatly increased,
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Why would the Telly money "greatly increase" ?

The English clubs wouldn't get anymore fans into their grounds as they are pretty much a sell out most weeks. Adding Celtic or an Irish team wouldn't change that

Right now the Prem has the massive telly money and high attendances - so why is a UK league the obvious answer - or should I take a guess - because you would like a Scottish team to have a piece of the action ?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
For starters the average attendances and TV money will be greatly increased,
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Best give Leeds a free PL place then!
Lets be honest as Phil as said we don't need Celtic or any other Scottish team or any Irish team,
Actually UEFA wouldn't allow it, they allow the Welsh teams who have been members for years an exemption and if we had a joint league we would lose our individual national teams. The Welsh teams in the FA are not allowed to enter there own cup competitions.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Why would the Telly money "greatly increase" ?

The English clubs wouldn't get anymore fans into their grounds as they are pretty much a sell out most weeks. Adding Celtic or an Irish team wouldn't change that

Right now the Prem has the massive telly money and high attendances - so why is a UK league the obvious answer - or should I take a guess - because you would like a Scottish team to have a piece of the action ?
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It is pretty obvious to most that the teams promoted to the EPL either go straight back down or will be relegated in a couple of years.
The product is starting to get quite stale and could do with a freshen up.

Choice of televised game.....which one would you rather watch.....Spurs v Celtic or Norwich v Watford.

Waynama, Van Dyck, Naismith, etc have proved that top level SPL players can survive quite comfortably in the EPL
 
pauldj42 said:
Best give Leeds a free PL place then!
Lets be honest as Phil as said we don't need Celtic or any other Scottish team or any Irish team,
Actually UEFA wouldn't allow it, they allow the Welsh teams who have been members for years an exemption and if we had a joint league we would lose our individual national teams. The Welsh teams in the FA are not allowed to enter there own cup competitions.
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What is wrong with losing our 'national' teams and having a British team?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
It is pretty obvious to most that the teams promoted to the EPL either go straight back down or will be relegated in a couple of years.
The product is starting to get quite stale and could do with a freshen up.

Choice of televised game.....which one would you rather watch.....Spurs v Celtic or Norwich v Watford.

Waynama, Van Dyck, Naismith, etc have proved that top level SPL players can survive quite comfortably in the EPL
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Stale ? Says who ? Viewer figures have increased , money increasing - on what level has it gone "stale"

Not sure what your last paragraph has to do with it but yes some players have come from the Scottish Prem and done well - no doubt there is a list of players that have been poor.

So again I'll ask again - Why do the English clubs need a UK League ?

Isn't not correct that the only people to benefit would be Scottish team so that they can leap on the money bandwagon that the Prem has created ( because it's a product that sells )
 
There was appetite a few years ago from the top English sides and the broadcasters to have Celtic and Rangers play in England and all that stopped it was self preservation of struggling teams because potentially 2 would be going to a lower league.
 
Val said:
There was appetite a few years ago from the top English sides and the broadcasters to have Celtic and Rangers play in England and all that stopped it was self preservation of struggling teams because potentially 2 would be going to a lower league.
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If that was to ever happen then I don't think it would be right for them to be transported straight into the Prem - surely would have to work their way up through the leagues ?
 
It's never going to happen. Too much to lose in terms of the national squads going and I'm sorry but hell will freeze over and I'll be a Cat 1 golfer before the FA sell out an England national side for the sake of a British league. IF and again I don't think this will happen, there is a European League with a guarantee that each FA can keep a national side then it would certainly be more beneficial for Celtic. For me there biggest problem is simply a lack of decent opposition week in and week out and Rangers coming back isn't going to change that. The lack of competitive edge is apparent when Celtic are in Europe
 
So the only way Scottish teams can be competitive is by playing in a league in another country? Thats a massive cop out imo. Loads of other countries have gash leagues but still produce competitive teams.

Im sure theres loads of other teams across europe that would love to play in the premiership too :thup:
 
Birchy said:
So the only way Scottish teams can be competitive is by playing in a league in another country? Thats a massive cop out imo. Loads of other countries have gash leagues but still produce competitive teams.

Im sure theres loads of other teams across europe that would love to play in the premiership too :thup:
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How many truly competitive sides are there in the SPL? Why do you think the Scottish sides seem to struggle when they face European sides?
 
Val said:
There was appetite a few years ago from the top English sides and the broadcasters to have Celtic and Rangers play in England and all that stopped it was self preservation of struggling teams because potentially 2 would be going to a lower league.
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On the face of it they would enhance the PL, but that was before Rangers got done, there was also a backlash against the plan as to what level would be fair to introduce them at, unfortunately now, I can't see any football reasons to let Celtic in and most importantly, look at the financial impact it would have on the rest of the Scottish Clubs.
 
pauldj42 said:
On the face of it they would enhance the PL, but that was before Rangers got done, there was also a backlash against the plan as to what level would be fair to introduce them at, unfortunately now, I can't see any football reasons to let Celtic in and most importantly, look at the financial impact it would have on the rest of the Scottish Clubs.
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I really think you hit the nail on the head. Not only does it sound a death knell to Scottish football at a decent level, but who do you deprive of a PL place to accommodate them. Season already too long to add extra games by extending the league. I can't see any logical reason financial or footballing to allow them in. As I said, I can't see that or a European league happening though
 
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