Right or wrong

[Grantley1988]

I got into a heated argument today with a chap and would like to know if I was in the right or wrong.

Me and a playing partner had played 9 holes and we're waiting on the 10th tee for a fourball to hit there second shots so we could hit our drives.

A fourball walk from the putting green to the tee and ask us what time are tee time was. I mention we have played 9 holes so we should just carry on. The chap then said they were a part of a charity day that were split over the front and back nine. He also said there were a few groups Infront and we would not be able to get though and we should just let them tee off.

I refused this and said if they let us play through now we would be out there way in 1 hole and they could carry on without is having to wait every shot. He shouted that my attitude was terrible and I said that we would not move from the tee.

We both hit are shots. (Both in the middle of the fairway and a great distance ) thankfully! When we got to the next hole the fourball were waiting at the next tee and asked if would like to play through!!! There was no one Infront of them. This shows that the chap on the 10th tee had lied. If I didn't back down we would have been stuck behind them and however many groups there were behind them.

What I want to ask if I was wrong here. Because they had a tee time booked should we have waited? Or is it common sense to let us play though. Should my club have cut off the tee times 10-15mins earlier so we would have been on the 11th or 12th by the time the charity day had started to tee off.

Sorry for the long post but this really bugged me! I hate confrontation, especially on the golf course! It's my happy switch off paradise!

 

[Foxholer]

Seems like an attempt at a hustle might have been made! I wouldn't have expected a Charity Day group to go on about 'terrible attitude'!

I'd have queried in the Pro Shop after the round!

As a 2-ball, you weren't going to hold anyone up. Was the 4-ball that let you through part of the same 'Charity Day'?

 

[AmandaJR]

I always feel "right of way" on the 10th tee is for those playing the course in the usual order and finishing the front 9. The club sound at fault for not timing things better and perhaps shouldn't have allowed your tee time so late or their tee time so early as a clash seemed likely.

In his shoes I would fully expect you to continue and slot in behind. My old course often had charity days etc starting on both tees and some comps too. I would always assume if I was starting on the 10th that anyone currently playing the 9th carries on in front.

So I think you were right and the club were wrong and the guy concerned was a conceited twit

 

[Leereed]

For me if you had already played nine holes you go first.as you are mid round.

 

[patricks148]

I would have though you being mid round you had the right of way, unless its a 9 hole course and some of those have funny rules, i believe.

 

[Grantley1988]

Yes they were. Which is what frustrates me the most. 5 minutes of arguing for nothing. All we had to do was play are shots and that would be the last of us. We caught up with another two ball further in the round and they let us through. After we finished. We orderd food. Waited for food to arrive and managed to eat our food before that group had finished 9 holes. We would have been waiting around for another 30-40mins if I didn't stand my ground!

Seems like an attempt at a hustle might have been made! I wouldn't have expected a Charity Day group to go on about 'terrible attitude'!

I'd have queried in the Pro Shop after the round!

As a 2-ball, you weren't going to hold anyone up. Was the 4-ball that let you through part of the same 'Charity Day'?

 

[duncan mackie]

we can't answer your question because it's one for the club/course management to answer

I know courses where the 10th can be allocated to an incoming group and those who have played 9 are booted off, courses where it's a matter of feeding in, and everything betwixt and between.

If you reverse the thinking slightly, and I could cite the H4H day on Monday as an example, you could easily have members queuing on the 1st getting into a mild discussion with people arriving from the 18th! At the end of the day the course management needs to manage all such situations actively IMO - you cannot leave it to the individuals to resolve in such situations.

The issue as to whether indivdual golfers should be able to manage it is another one entirely

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Was the tee booked and had you got there after that time. If so strictly speaking they'd have right of way but common sense prevailed and you were long gong, getting through the next group as well. Bad show for the guy to lie and personally I'd have had a quiet word in the bar afterwards, especially if it had been niggling

 

[louise_a]

I can never understand the logic in letting players start at both the 1st and the 10th, if the course is busy there are bound to be problems.

 

[rosecott]

I can never understand the logic in letting players start at both the 1st and the 10th, if the course is busy there are bound to be problems.

If properly managed there should be no problem. There has to be a laid down and understood procedure. It is not really possible to predict accurately how long any specific group will take to play 9 holes so any system has to recognise what might or might not happen at the crossover.

 

[chrisd]

I can never understand the logic in letting players start at both the 1st and the 10th, if the course is busy there are bound to be problems.

It works pretty well at my place, but inevitably we get odd problems but it's usually when people go off the wrong tee at the wrong time or when there's a match.

 

[GB72]

Works OK at our place. Signs on each tee that simply states that any group who has played 9 already only has to let one group tee off ahead of them if there is a queue on the 1st, 10th or 19th tees.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Sounds like your club needs to sort it out, or you need to look at the notice board or wherever these things are advertised. At RAGC in that situation the first and 10th tees would have been closed for the charity day for x amount of time depending on thd number of groups and it would have been advertised as such. If you arrived at either tee during that period you wait.

I can't really answer your question without knowing how your club operates but at our place, you would be wrong.

On a separate note, if the club is going to run a charity day with two tee starts there should really be a starter(s)

Under normal play (I.e. the tees aren't closed for any reason), players who started on the first have right of way on the 10th.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did you check with the pro shop to see if they did have a tee time booked or the tee was booked out for their charity day

That doesn't excuse his apparent rudeness though

 

[Canary_Yellow]

I think any club I've played at that is likely to have this issue (i.e. people playing in an order other than 1 - 18) have a rule that says you go off alternately.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

My old club was a nine hole course. The agreement was that those turning to do their 10th hole had priority over those starting their 1st hole. Once you had let one group through you did not have to let another, you slipped in, alternately as someone has already pointed out. The exception to this would be if you were a two ball and the group turning were a four ball. Common practice would be that you wait, the four ball would suggest that you go first and so the faster group would go off. All very polite and I never saw an issue in the 7 years I played there.

The above works when people are polite, considerate and have a brain. When pompous buffoons take to the course then things start to go wrong. Common sense has to prevail and when it doesn't you have conflict. I am 100% with the original poster here.

 

[Slab]

The important thing missing is what did the OP have for lunch!

OK maybe not but I'm thinking as others have pointed out that the club should really have a starter there, if not all the time then at least when booked groups are playing (such as charity days) so its a poor showing from the club towards members and visitors

Even more so since I've just seen its a 27 hole layout and the 10th may even be a designated 1st tee start to an 18 hole layout and not in fact a 10th tee!

 

[AlexDarling]

not sure I'm understanding this thread.

You play a round of golf starting at the 1st and when you get to the 10th some guys say they want to start at the 10th and you have to wait? is that the gist? if thats all the facts then there is only one course of retort to these fellows wanting to play. Do one!

 

[Hacker Khan]

I can never understand the logic in letting players start at both the 1st and the 10th, if the course is busy there are bound to be problems.

You should try Forest Pines on a weekend. Horrendously busy with 3 loops of nine, so people are teeing off for the 1st 9 on one loop or continuing their round on the 1st tee on other loops all the time. Chuff knows how they manage that one, when ever we go we make sure we tee off first thing as I've seen queues of 4 or 5 4 balls waiting on the 1st tees.

 

[bladeplayer]

To me both you and your club are wrong in the first instance , and the visitors are wrong in the second

First incidence , the club are wrong for not posting the 1st & 10th tee boxes are closed from whatever time to whatever time, so u know going out that you cant play 18 or at least you have to be gone off the 10th by a certain time , you as a member of the club have to abide by the clubs decision so if the 10th tee is pre booked you IMO have no right to tee off , your club sold this time to the charity day so course id effectively closed to members ..

Its no different to walking up to the first tee 2 mins late to get out for a booked society , its there time as ur club has sold it to them , 1st tee /10th tee no difference

Second incidence if there were only 2 of ye and only 1 group had actually tee'd off i would be inclined to say work on lads , 1st group will let u through and all will be happy ..

So to sum it up and only IMO you my friend were wrong