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Because a shot gun start closes the whole course for a whole 5-6 hours
Right or wrong
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Because a shot gun start closes the whole course for a whole 5-6 hours
ArnoldArmChewer
Tour Winner
I always feel "right of way" on the 10th tee is for those playing the course in the usual order and finishing the front 9. The club sound at fault for not timing things better and perhaps shouldn't have allowed your tee time so late or their tee time so early as a clash seemed likely.
In his shoes I would fully expect you to continue and slot in behind. My old course often had charity days etc starting on both tees and some comps too. I would always assume if I was starting on the 10th that anyone currently playing the 9th carries on in front.
So I think you were right and the club were wrong and the guy concerned was a conceited twit
Is the right answer.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
^^^this.
At my previous club the understanding (if not the rule - but maybe was) was that if you wanted to start on the 10th you first checked for any group playing the 9th. If ALL of their balls were on the green then they had precedence - you would wait. If all balls were on the green but the group were perhaps some way from putting, then you could tee off but that group had right of way - so at the earliest opportunity you had to ask if they wanted to play through.
This worked just fine.
On OP - 10th tee would have been booked for the visitors - members would had no right of play IMO. I would also not expect a members group to get mixed up in the middle of a visiting group - my general feeling is that the visitors/society should be able play 'as a block' and members just keep clear.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Cripes LP - 5-6 hours for a shotgun start? That ridiculous. Rarely much more that 4hrs at my place. With a shotgun start you have an incentive from the word go to keep up with the group in front and so slow play becomes blindingly obvious and so doesn't happen.
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Deleted member 15344
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Slow does happen in shotgun starts and seen it happen a number of times
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yer club needs to get to grips with that - no reason for it at all.
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It happens when there are slow players out there
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Ignorant slow players you mean, and four together!!!!!!
The biggest issue in golf for me. I don't care about people's dress, fags on a tee box, pink golf shoes, hats in a clubhouse, mobile phones or most of the other irritations that seem to be a big deal for some people but slow golfers who refuse to let you through are an absolute pain and deserve to be removed from a course.
cookelad
Tour Winner
We have 2 tee starts (1st and 12th) groups alternate, by this logic as you were on the tee ready to go you had the right of way. I don't see why they thought they should queue jump, they'd have probably kicked you off the tee then proceeded to dick around for 10 minutes finding gloves, balls, tees so I in my book you were correct!
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
He had no right of way what so ever because his club had prebooked the tee and he was after the booked time
I am surpised so many people are picking up on the timing issue. I have stated here already that I believe the poster is in the right but ignoring that surely a four ball should have the brains and courtesy to let a two ball play through anyway. I have done that on many an occasion, no matter what my booked tee time states.
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
so if you had a society/ charity day booked all in 4 balls and guys/gals kept rocking up in 2 balls (1st or 10th tee) ud let them out in middle of your group , on normal occasions it should be faster groups through no matter how many was in the group but in an obviously (if they need 2 tee start)big society/charity day there is no chance of this
His club had sold the right to tee off on the 1st &10th tees to the group , therefore only thr group has the right to tee off in that timeframe , unless the organiser of the group decides otherwise
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If the course is rammed with 4 balls then you know that you have to suck it up and take it on the chin. No point playing through one group as every group in front will be slow. However if you are one of the earlier groups on the 10th, meaning only one or two groups in front, then I would let the two ball through as they stand a good chance of being let through by the group or groups in front. If there were 3-4 groups in front, and the the two ball were on their back nine, then I would have a chat with them and explain it would be pointless to let them through as they would not get past all of the groups in front before reaching the end of their 2nd nine.
I have been in both situations, let people through and not let people through. As long as you explain to the group being held up why there is no point letting them through I have always find they accept that and are grateful for the explanation. It is all about courtesy, not hard and rigid who is right and wrong.
I have been in both situations, let people through and not let people through. As long as you explain to the group being held up why there is no point letting them through I have always find they accept that and are grateful for the explanation. It is all about courtesy, not hard and rigid who is right and wrong.
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
We will agree to disagree :thup:
I will stand by my opinion that the OP was in the wrong , but i in no way think that makes my opinion right
I will stand by my opinion that the OP was in the wrong , but i in no way think that makes my opinion right
drdel
Tour Rookie
When the OP booked his Tee time (or turned up to play) he should have been warned that a Society was due to start from the 1st and 10th at the specified time. Since the OP was not told he was entitled to play the 18 holes of his game and expect to play through unhindered on the 10th as normal.
The Society 4 ball should have stuck to the normal rule of play, especially as the OP was a 2-ball.
I do not subscribe to the view that the Society players were entitled to preferential treatment over members. Members pay and keep the Club supported all year and if they have been permitted to book a Tee time for 18 holes are entitled to play their Round without problems (other than those that occur normally).
As a Guest at any Club I've played I would not assume I have more rights than the Club's permanent members surely an ounce of common sense says that if we all follow the general rules and etiquette there is no discrimination or need for preferential treatment.
The club was 9a) wrong to book Tee times that could lead to conflict and (b) wrong not to inform players the 10the Tees would be reserved for the Society starters.
The Society 4 ball should have stuck to the normal rule of play, especially as the OP was a 2-ball.
I do not subscribe to the view that the Society players were entitled to preferential treatment over members. Members pay and keep the Club supported all year and if they have been permitted to book a Tee time for 18 holes are entitled to play their Round without problems (other than those that occur normally).
As a Guest at any Club I've played I would not assume I have more rights than the Club's permanent members surely an ounce of common sense says that if we all follow the general rules and etiquette there is no discrimination or need for preferential treatment.
The club was 9a) wrong to book Tee times that could lead to conflict and (b) wrong not to inform players the 10the Tees would be reserved for the Society starters.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I don't believe that's the case.
The club hasn't sold the right to anything! But, for a fee, they have allowed......and allocated them a time..... The Club still has full authority over/responsibility for everything that happens on the course, with certain exceptions.
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
Is that not one of the same thing , the club allocated them that time for a fee , so giving someone a service for a specified time for an agreed fee is in fact selling them use of the tee box ,
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Even if what you say above highlighted in red is the case then surely only the appointed/approved committee members have permission to revoke or change the condition of the booking ? it would not be at the decision or behest of ordinary members to do so ?
I have yet to come across any society who would book tee time but allow others to use the tee in that allocated time .
Wonderfully civilised. I feel as though we should be drinking a beer at this point and raising a glass to "different views". :cheers:
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Problem for a slow fourball in a shotgun start is that they will hold up the whole field and hence 17 other groups. A group who plays slow in a shotgun and maybe drops a hole is truly asking for it off the rest of the field as everyone will know and will want to know why play was slow. 4hrs and maybe a bit for a shotgun is pretty standard at our place - longer than that would instigate a major enquiry - especially if food is arranged for all afterwards - as the food would be ruined. Our shotguns are 8 or 8:30am starts with food after at about 1pm - so field has to get round in about 4-4 and half hours.
