rulefan
Tour Winner
As I have said elsewhere - More than half the golfers in the world do not have access to a computerised hole by hole score recording system.
Retrieving a card from the Comp Box
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It doesn't matter about half of the golfers in the world, that's a daft argument. If your club runs its comps by a computer, most do in the UK I suspect, then you can manage without handing in a card.
Colin L
Tour Winner
It is not really two different rules. One is a paper system, one is a computerised system. The computer would log the comp, date, h/c etc automatically instead of you writing it down. When entering on the computer you effectively sign your card when it asks if you are happy with the info entered at the end. Not different rules, just a different way of registering the scores.
Again, think of accountants using book systems compared to computer systems. Same information, different way of recording it.
Again, think of accountants using book systems compared to computer systems. Same information, different way of recording it.
rulefan
Tour Winner
PSI does nothing for the player. Scores have to be recorded live. It just takes extra time to key them in again. With a big comp just look at the queues at the terminal. If clubs didn't have their own regulations players wouldn't bother.
PSI was designed to help competition administrators not players. Marketing seminars show that very clearly.
PSI was designed to help competition administrators not players. Marketing seminars show that very clearly.
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rosecott
Money List Winner
I've read all your opinions and would ask you just one question.
Given that we don't have commonly available technology to record scores electronically after each hole is completed, we need a scorecard to record the agreed score on each hole, how difficult is it to input the scores on the terminal then drop the card into the box provided?
You have then done your bit in the process and the committee takes over to discharge their responsibilities - simples.
Not difficult at all. Even easier if you input the scores and put the card in the recycling bin. Committee work is then 2 minutes rather than ......(fill in accordingly). Even better the card could have space on to fill in multiple rounds, thus causing less paper waste.
A question back at you: To play a comp at my club you have to sign in to our club computer, PSI thingy. That records I am playing, the competition name, date, tees to be used, time of tee off booked, h/c. If that is recorded then why does this need to be duplicated on the manual card on pain of d/q? Bit unnecessary isn't it?
rulefan
Tour Winner
That is not a requirement of the Rules.
Most of that is as a result of your club's competition committee's decisions.
The only obligation you have is to record your score, corrected handicap (eg if you have outstanding away scores) and signature on your card and ensure your marker does the same.
If your club picks the right software all the extra information can be printed directly onto the card and be given to you at registration.
As I said before, PSI is a club's decision, not the R&A's.
rosecott
Money List Winner
As has been pointed out several times, your "club computer, PSI thingy" would not be aware of results from any away competitions which have not been reported to the club. If you have not served on a committee, you will not be aware of the requirement to retain scorecards for the current year. I would say that, on average of 6 or 7 occasions in the course of a year, I have to go back to the original scorecard to resolve a query.
I still cannot see why it would be preferable to post the card in the bin rather than the box provided.
I don't see a need to retain scorecards from home competitions. If the club computer has all of the scores on it then that is the same thing. A scorecard on paper or a scorecard on a computer are recording the same thing, scores on each hole. Surely any query can just be brought up on the club computer, same as checking an old invoice on accountancy software. You don't need a physical copy.
Regarding away competitions, if they are not being full recorded and uploaded, and I know many are not, then keeping physical records will be required. My own club does not upload the CDH for its Opens so I understand the failure of the system there. That is a people issue.
rosecott
Money List Winner
And - what if a player claims that he made a mistake in entering his score and his score should have been one stroke/point better than published. Will you go through the bins to recover the card? The scores on the card are what count.
You are missing my point. That player has inputted their score, same as writing it on a card. Once they press the submit button that is the end of it. If they have made a mistake then that is on their head. You can retrieve the score on the computer still, it is no different, the card is irrelevant.
D
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What if that mistake means someone misses out on winning a Comp ? Someone gets an incorrect HC change - it’s very easy to input the wrong score on the screen - it happens “every single†competition- the written scorecard ensures those mistakes are corrected before the competition is completed and HC changes aren’t live
There will always be human error on the psi - always , you can never ensure it doesn’t happen and there will always be the need for human interaction- it’s self governing not computer governing
rulefan
Tour Winner
A wrong score in the computer is irrelevant. If the card is correct that is the counting score. There is no provision in the Rules for a computer entry to override a card.
Hang on a minute, what if, what if. What if some makes a mistake on their card? At some point you have to be responsible for your actions, at some point the card goes in the box and the competition is closed. This is no different. It is just a method of recording.
I know that. I am suggesting that the need for a card going forward is unnecessary. A computer entry will be all that is required.
D
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In my time doing comps I can’t recall someone putting a score wrong on the card - the reason why is because there is two written records of the score - one on his card and one on the card the player is marking. Any issues are corrected when people are going through the cards as they sign them when they finish - it’s easy to see when it’s written down and you are calling the scores out.
Where as every single time I have closed a Comp I have seen an error with at least one score entered into the computer which then had to be rectified - in fact once there were two people who put there Stableford scores down instead of their gross score - imagine the score , in a fully computer system that goes through and then into the CDH
This “method†you suggest has no written confirmation that states it is someone’s score - on a computer it can be anyone entering the score and loads at our place just hand their card to someone and one person puts all the cards in.
And remember it is the the Rules of Golf - that would mean you would have to change the rules of golf just because some people can’t do 4 simple things - is it that much of an issue for the rules of the game to be changed and changing the rules of golf would mean it would apply to every club - what about the clubs without PSI
2blue
Journeyman Pro
What if they can't be ar$ed to put it in the computer??..... or avoid doing so as they have a score that would lead to them getting a cut but not good enough for the money? ...... Nay!!, that would never happen Eh?
rulefan
Tour Winner
The Rule would have to changed to require computer entry BUT the biggie (USGA) doesn't require hole by hole scores to be put in that system. Just imagine that 60% + of the world's golfers are suddenly told they must enter 18 scores into a computer (and get them confirmed) when all they need now is to put in the total. And they don't even need to do that, they just leave it to the pro.
What if they can't be bothered to hand their card in because their car is on the far side of the car park and they can't be bothered to walk back to the clubhouse? Maybe it's raining and they are fed up. Perhaps their score is rubbish or maybe, as you say, their score gets them a cut but no money? In fact, they are the same scenarios whether the score is on a card or a computer, no difference.
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