Refused entry to a comp - how would you react?

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Morning all

At my club we have an 18 hole championship course and a 9 hole course. Last year I was a member on the full course, this year due to a relocation in October/November I joined the 9 hole course instead.

Since the membership change I have played some comps on both courses, paying the extra green fees to play on the main course as well as the competition entry fee.

Just before my holiday (7 weeks ago) I entered the 2nd day of the club championship, on the main course, so I could have my first experience of playing off the very back blue tees.

This coming Saturday is the championship of the 9 hole course.... you pay extra and there is a 2 course meal, prizes, trophies etc.....all good, looking forward to it. Until last night.

Received an email advising that I am not allowed to play the competition as it was designed for members of the 9 hole course to have a chance to win a trophy...... as I had played day 2 of the other comp I have had my shot at winning something and therefore I'm not allowed to play this one.

I've already composed a response and sent it to the club, but how would you react in this instance?

Adam
 
Annoyed. You are a member of the 9 hole course, you should be allowed to play any comp on that course. I expected the post to end up saying they would not allow you to play the 18 hole comp and I would have said fair enough to that. This is wrong though.

If you expand their thinking, if you win a comp on the 9 hole course can you not enter another one? You have won your comp for the year.
 
Smells like a committee involved somewhere :sbox:

At the end of the day competition entry is bound by someone somewhere and it's unlikely they will change their tune. I would ask if them if these conditions of entry were/are published anywhere to alleviate any doubt and if not why not!?

Frustrating but it's something that is taking time to be weeded out of the golf club culture. Can't do this, can do that. "oh and by the way" etc. If more clubs inducted people properly then things like this wouldn't come about.

Good luck and keep calm. Never shoot the messenger unless he's got a gun :-)
 
It does not make much sense. I could understand if they had refused your entry for the 18-hole club championship, as you are not a member of the 18-hole course anymore. But to refuse your entry for the 9-hole one seems illogical. Was it mentioned in the comp announcement that people who had already played the 18-hole champs weren't allowed to participate? If yes, then I think you have no real grounds to complain (even though, as I said, it surprises me, at my club they are normally happy for everyone who is willing to enter, especially if there is an entry fee). If it wasn't officially announced beforehand, I would be mighty annoyed and probably tell them so :D
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Annoyed. You are a member of the 9 hole course, you should be allowed to play any comp on that course. I expected the post to end up saying they would not allow you to play the 18 hole comp and I would have said fair enough to that. This is wrong though.

If you expand their thinking, if you win a comp on the 9 hole course can you not enter another one? You have won your comp for the year.
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Rather likewise for me!

Seems wrong to me!

Appeal!

Explain that your purpose in entering the CC round was to experience the course off the back tees rather than 'winning the comp'!

And also ask them where in the Conditions of Competition - or any other Rule - it's stated that doing what you did excludes you from the 9-hole CC! I expect, there is actually a clause/ruling somewhere - or maybe simply precedence - that specifically allows you to play (after paying Green Fee) in the 18-hole round!
 
If entering the 18 hole championship meant that you would then not be allowed into the 9 hole one, then they should have advised you that at the time you entered it. Then, in full possession of the facts, you could have decided which one you'd rather enter. I don't think it's fair to tell you after the event.

If I was you I'd be writing to them and saying members should have been warned in advance that you could only enter one or the other - and on that basis they have no right to ban you from this one.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. Between you all you've come up with every "argument" in the reply I sent to the club.

I haven't gone firing with all cylinders with the tone of my mail, but have put my side of it across and expressed my disappointment in how I have been communicated with as I did find the email a bit abrupt.
 
adam6177 said:
Thanks for the responses guys. Between you all you've come up with every "argument" in the reply I sent to the club.

I haven't gone firing with all cylinders with the tone of my mail, but have put my side of it across and expressed my disappointment in how I have been communicated with as I did find the email a bit abrupt.
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Yeah. Back when you entered the 18 you should have had a message saying "be aware this will prohibit you from entering your 9 hole comp - do you still want to enter?"
 
Orikoru said:
Yeah. Back when you entered the 18 you should have had a message saying "be aware this will prohibit you from entering your 9 hole comp - do you still want to enter?"
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Exactly part of my argument. I feel that if I am restricted in the competitions that I'm able to enter then surely I shouldn't have been able to enter them in the first place or indeed as you say be clearly told of the repercussions of entering said comp.

I went on to say that it should be something for the club to look at so that it doesn't happen again.
 
Foxholer said:
Rather likewise for me!

Seems wrong to me!

Appeal!

Explain that your purpose in entering the CC round was to experience the course off the back tees rather than 'winning the comp'!

And also ask them where in the Conditions of Competition - or any other Rule - it's stated that doing what you did excludes you from the 9-hole CC! I expect, there is actually a clause/ruling somewhere - or maybe simply precedence - that specifically allows you to play (after paying Green Fee) in the 18-hole round!
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👆👆👆 Precisely this. Appeal. Good luck👍
 
Defiantly worth questioning, were you made aware of this when you entered the 18 hole competition?

If not you have a case but I do see what the club is trying to do and it's a good thing. They have just gone about it the wrong way and not made it clear.

In the end you should only be able to play in one of them and not both, however you should be able to choose and to do that you need to know.
 
Personally, I'd be getting on the phone to captain or vice captain or a committee member to better understand what the conditions/rules are and how come they came to that decision. Then I'd take my stance...

Sometimes you learn that there's reasons for these things - and you often haven't thought it through from others positions.

Then I'd give it the "whatever" get my clubs and go play and forget about it... accept and move on
 
GreggerKBR said:
Personally, I'd be getting on the phone to captain or vice captain or a committee member to better understand what the conditions/rules are and how come they came to that decision. Then I'd take my stance...

Sometimes you learn that there's reasons for these things - and you often haven't thought it through from others positions.

Then I'd give it the "whatever" get my clubs and go play and forget about it... accept and move on
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Whatever the reasons are, I don't think it's too much to ask that the golfers are kept informed in advance.
 
If both comps are oversubscribed then I could understand. But that would need to be made clear before booking. Our place tends not to allow booking into both days of a monthly medal, so that everyone gets a chance to enter. However, if there are free places a day or two beforehand, I can't see the issue.
 
adam6177 said:
Exactly part of my argument. I feel that if I am restricted in the competitions that I'm able to enter then surely I shouldn't have been able to enter them in the first place or indeed as you say be clearly told of the repercussions of entering said comp.....
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H'mm! Not at all convinced about this. If the consequences were previously published, then it's YOUR responsibility to make a decision about which comp to choose - and be prepared for consequences. If however - as seems likely to be the case here - someone/group has made a semi-random decision to exclude you, purely on their assumption of the purpose of the 9-hole CC, then that decision should be reversed, but perhaps notes included in CofCs to prevent similar events in future!

To me, that is how everything about Golf works. and the same generally applies to life! You are, generally, responsible for your own destiny!

adam6177 said:
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I went on to say that it should be something for the club to look at so that it doesn't happen again.
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You may well have given them too much of an 'out' by doing that! They may simply 'Yes, we'll make sure it's added to CofCs for the future' but not reinstate you!
 
that's bang out of order! so your only allowed to enter one comp!
What if you'd won a monthly medal? are you not allowed in the other medals because you've won one!
hey I know - Jordan spieth you aren't allowed to compete in any more opens because you've won one - now give someone a chance!
(I know you didn't win but concept applies)


A very strongly worded angry british letter to be sent!
 
I've just received a mail from them and they've overturned the decision. They've accepted all that I said and re-instated me in the competition and asked for me to consider joining the match team! Result!

Thanks all for the input.
 
Am I right in understanding you only entered day 2 of the club champs on the 18 hole course, therefor not actually able to win the whole thing as there was presumably a day one you did not enter?
 
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