Rangers

[FairwayDodger]

To all the people who seem to reckon Scottish football needs Sky TV, can I just point you back to the days before Sky TV when clubs such as Aberdeen and Dundee United actually won the league and done well in Europe. We also had a much stronger national side than we have had for 20 years

All Sky has done for Scottish football has made Rangers and Celtic stronger and weakened the rest in comparison to the old firm. Im not sure of the figures but the old firm get a higher percentage of the money between themselves than the rest of the league do all together. Sky have actually been to the detriment of Scottish football as a whole.

You're both right and wrong!

Sky have been to the detriment of Scottish Football. Mainly because of the huge disparity in finance they're created between Scottish and English football.

Similarly, when Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were competing in Europe Scottish Football was closer to European football in terms of finance. Now we're worlds behind.

 

[Val]

This thread got fun last night

 

[chris661]

Fair point.

Another historical reason to put the boot in now?

Eh? You are using a strong game as your argument. It has nothing to do with the "historical" side it is to do with the blatant lies and cheating that has been committed by rangers.

Has anyone actually apologised for the disrepute they have brought on Scottish football? Duff & Phelps were telling potential investors/purchasers not to worry about any more sanctions as they were the establishment club, that attitude will NEVER go away from the majority of the supporters, the want to boycott pretty much everybody

 

[Dodger]

I think the biggest question to be asked in all of this is..............................























Where the hell is StuartD?????? :rofl::whoo::rofl::whoo::rofl:

 

[FairwayDodger]

Eh? You are using a strong game as your argument. It has nothing to do with the "historical" side it is to do with the blantant lies and cheating that has been committed by rangers. ​

Don't really follow you. You seemed to be saying that because Rangers tried in the past to join the EPL we should stamp them out of existence now rather than letting them rebuild from division 3. I'm hoping that at some point everyone will look forward to what's best for the scottish game rather than dredging up old grievances.

Has anyone actually apologised for the disrepute they have brought on Scottish football?

I'm very sorry mister, can I have my team back please?

 

[smange]

You're both right and wrong!

Sky have been to the detriment of Scottish Football. Mainly because of the huge disparity in finance they're created between Scottish and English football.

Similarly, when Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were competing in Europe Scottish Football was closer to European football in terms of finance. Now we're worlds behind.

Theres always been huge financial difference between Scottish and English football, thats why all the big teams in England back in the 70s and 80s raided Scottish teams for their best players. Much like Rangers and Celtic have done to the rest of Scottish football since Sky started filling the old firms coffers with a lot more money than the others.

Im sure one thing we all would like to see is a Scottish national team that can compete and qualify for major tournaments in the future. Restructuring Scottish football for the good of Scottish football and not just the old firm is the only way that can happen.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'd trade every trophy they've won in my lifetime to still have a team to support.

Fairway, I think you are doing an admirable job sticking up for your team, whether I agree with your views or not, as you obviously have lots of passion.

However, would Rangers have near the support they have now without all of them trophy laden years? Yes, they would be supported massively, but as we all know long term winning of trophies gets you more fans.

 

[Val]

Theres always been huge financial difference between Scottish and English football, thats why all the big teams in England back in the 70s and 80s raided Scottish teams for their best players. Much like Rangers and Celtic have done to the rest of Scottish football since Sky started filling the old firms coffers with a lot more money than the others.

Im sure one thing we all would like to see is a Scottish national team that can compete and qualify for major tournaments in the future. Restructuring Scottish football for the good of Scottish football and not just the old firm is the only way that can happen.

I don't get this, Sky don't pay Rangers or Celtic TV money the SPL do and the SPL chairmen agreed the split in revenue.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Im sure one thing we all would like to see is a Scottish national team that can compete and qualify for major tournaments in the future. Restructuring Scottish football for the good of Scottish football and not just the old firm is the only way that can happen.

YES!! EXACTLY!!

And NOW is the once in a lifetime chance to do it but we're too busy arguing about what punishments Rangers do or don't deserve. We ALL need to look forward and make whatever changes are necessary to improve our game.

 

[chris661]

Don't really follow you. You seemed to be saying that because Rangers tried in the past to join the EPL we should stamp them out of existence now rather than letting them rebuild from division 3. I'm hoping that at some point everyone will look forward to what's best for the scottish game rather than dredging up old grievances.



I'm very sorry mister, can I have my team back please?

But they dont want to rebuild form division 3 though do they? Otherwise they would not have applied to rejoin the SPL. The newco want to be readmitted straight back in with no punishment. Don't forget there still is the whole saga of dual contracts and the resitting of the appellate tribunal to come which could lead to the expulsion anyway.

 

[chris661]

However, would Rangers have near the support they have now without all of them trophy laden years? Yes, they would be supported massively, but as we all know long term winning of trophies gets you more fans.

Exactly, when they were languishing mid table the were lucky to get 20,000.

 

[FairwayDodger]

However, would Rangers have near the support they have now without all of them trophy laden years? Yes, they would be supported massively, but as we all know long term winning of trophies gets you more fans.

Nope....

And none of it matters now. I genuinely hope no true football supporters - of any other team - have to go through this.

 

[FairwayDodger]

But they dont want to rebuild form division 3 though do they? Otherwise they would not have applied to rejoin the SPL. The newco want to be readmitted straight back in with no punishment. Don't forget there still is the whole saga of dual contracts and the resitting of the appellate tribunal to come which could lead to the expulsion anyway.

No, they don't. I agree with you. To me they're chancing it trying to get back into the SPL and I wish they wouldn't. But Charles Green cares not at all about the club or Scottish football; if he gets them into the SPL next season he gets to cash in and leave sooner.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Theres always been huge financial difference between Scottish and English football, thats why all the big teams in England back in the 70s and 80s raided Scottish teams for their best players. Much like Rangers and Celtic have done to the rest of Scottish football since Sky started filling the old firms coffers with a lot more money than the others.

Im sure one thing we all would like to see is a Scottish national team that can compete and qualify for major tournaments in the future. Restructuring Scottish football for the good of Scottish football and not just the old firm is the only way that can happen.

Smange, agree with lots of your views on sky being worse for Scottish football. The fact is though that unless you take the TV money, you wouldn't be able to attract decent porfessional footballers nowadays, and it would be probably similar in standard to a Slovakian league.

You make the assumption that most club fans, think more of the national team than their own team. I think most LFC,MUFC,MCFC,CFC,AFC,THFC,EFC,NUFC,AVFC would care more about their own teams than the national team.

In Scotland it may be different but ask a Hearts/Hibee/AFC/Dundonian fan if they would rather see their team win the SPl or Scotland qualify for a major championship, wnat do you think the answer would be?

 

[Dodger]

I can't believe I am heading off to Leeds/York for 3 days on the piss and I'll miss the happenings on this excellent thread.....please guys keep it cool and keep away from arguements of the wrong nature as I want to have a good read when I return!

Oh,and can someone please contact StuartD to make sure he's okay?:rofl:

 

[FairwayDodger]

I can't believe I am heading off to Leeds/York for 3 days on the piss and I'll miss the happenings on this excellent thread.....please guys keep it cool and keep away from arguements of the wrong nature as I want to have a good read when I return!

Oh,and can someone please contact StuartD to make sure he's okay?:rofl:

I'm feeling a bit like D'artagnon battling half a dozen of the cardinals men at once but it seems vaguely therapeutic.

However I've got my club championship (golf) semi-final tonight so really need to go and get ready for that.

You guys don't just want to concede and let Rangers back in do you? Please..?

OK, thought not - catch you later! :thup:

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'm feeling a bit like D'artagnon battling half a dozen of the cardinals men at once but it seems vaguely therapeutic.

However I've got my club championship (golf) semi-final tonight so really need to go and get ready for that.

You guys don't just want to concede and let Rangers back in do you? Please..?

OK, thought not - catch you later! :thup:

Good luck with the golf.

I applaud your passion. Now you know what the Luis Suarez thing was like, although very different in context.

 

[Dodger]

I'm feeling a bit like D'artagnon battling half a dozen of the cardinals men at once but it seems vaguely therapeutic.

However I've got my club championship (golf) semi-final tonight so really need to go and get ready for that.

You guys don't just want to concede and let Rangers back in do you? Please..?

OK, thought not - catch you later! :thup:

:thup:

 

[smange]

I don't get this, Sky don't pay Rangers or Celtic TV money the SPL do and the SPL chairmen agreed the split in revenue.

This is where we get back to the farcical 11-1 voting system I would guess

You know the one thats agreed to use 99% of the time when its something that Celtic and Rangers wanted but is now 8-4 when its something that only one of them are fighting for.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Jings
I start a wee thread about the demise of Rangers.
Go away for 3 days
And come back to 4,000 views and 260 posts.
Wow


Some well informed folk on here.
Perhaps someone could tell me how Green managed to pay only £5.5m for Ibrox and Murray Park.