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This is where we get back to the farcical 11-1 voting system I would guess

You know the one thats agreed to use 99% of the time when its something that Celtic and Rangers wanted but is now 8-4 when its something that only one of them are fighting for.

I think if the SFA had Kofi Annan, Desmond Tutu, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, the Pop.... (oh no) on the board there would still be controversy.
 
Smange, agree with lots of your views on sky being worse for Scottish football. The fact is though that unless you take the TV money, you wouldn't be able to attract decent porfessional footballers nowadays, and it would be probably similar in standard to a Slovakian league.

You make the assumption that most club fans, think more of the national team than their own team. I think most LFC,MUFC,MCFC,CFC,AFC,THFC,EFC,NUFC,AVFC would care more about their own teams than the national team.

In Scotland it may be different but ask a Hearts/Hibee/AFC/Dundonian fan if they would rather see their team win the SPl or Scotland qualify for a major championship, wnat do you think the answer would be?

I would always put my club (Dunfermline Athletic) winning a major honour before the national team.

I would say our league at present is probably poorer than a Slovakian league, look at Scottish clubs recent European exploits and youll see that, so much for Sky money there then.

Im not saying we shouldnt take Skys money but what I am saying is that it should be more evenly distributed between all the clubs in the league and not all about making 2 of them so much more richer than the rest then complaining that its not competitive enough
 
I would always put my club (Dunfermline Athletic) winning a major honour before the national team.

I would say our league at present is probably poorer than a Slovakian league, look at Scottish clubs recent European exploits and youll see that, so much for Sky money there then.

Im not saying we shouldnt take Skys money but what I am saying is that it should be more evenly distributed between all the clubs in the league and not all about making 2 of them so much more richer than the rest then complaining that its not competitive enough

Agree with that, the EPL should be the same also. The Champions league money should also be shared around, but when countries like Spain let individual clubs negotiate individual deals, it is not a fair playing field.

I have said for the last year or so that nowadays whenever talking football with mates etc, 40% of it ends up talking about finances/money/transfer fees/deals/sky deal/sponsorship/wages/legal issues.

Remember the good old days when it was just about players and tactics?
 
To all the people who seem to reckon Scottish football needs Sky TV, can I just point you back to the days before Sky TV when clubs such as Aberdeen and Dundee United actually won the league and done well in Europe. We also had a much stronger national side than we have had for 20 years

All Sky has done for Scottish football has made Rangers and Celtic stronger and weakened the rest in comparison to the old firm. Im not sure of the figures but the old firm get a higher percentage of the money between themselves than the rest of the league do all together. Sky have actually been to the detriment of Scottish football as a whole.

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I was asking out of curiosity Stephen , i wouldnt have enough knowledge of Scottish fotball to do otherwise
 
Remember the good old days when it was just about players and tactics?

And standing on the terraces and being allowed to actually celebrate your team scoring a goal instead of being told by a jumped up steward to sit in your seat or youll be removed from the ground for daring to stand up and clap a goal.

Football has become sterile, in Scotland at least, not sure what it like in the EPL as havent been to a game in England for a long long time.

Those are arguements for another day though.

Bill- wasnt aimed at your post to be honest was more of a dig at the media who seem to think Sky TV money is the be all and end all for Scottish football and to hell with sporting integrity
 
And standing on the terraces and being allowed to actually celebrate your team scoring a goal instead of being told by a jumped up steward to sit in your seat or youll be removed from the ground for daring to stand up and clap a goal.

Football has become sterile, in Scotland at least, not sure what it like in the EPL as havent been to a game in England for a long long time.

Those are arguements for another day though.

Bill- wasnt aimed at your post to be honest was more of a dig at the media who seem to think Sky TV money is the be all and end all for Scottish football and to hell with sporting integrity

Yes same down here, but changes from club to club. I believe Arsenal is the worst with the stewards, from what most home fans say. Anfield can be great on a good day, but haven't got that good a memory.

Sadly Anfield is rubbish for atmosphere for 80% of games nowadays, but can still be great when required.
 
I really feel that Dunfermline have got the short straw in this fuddle.
The fact that Oldco Rangers can vote on whether Newco The Rangers can play in the SPL is absolutely farcical and is totally against natural justice.
If the SPL vote to expel The Rangers I assume that Dunfermline will be re-instated.
Hearts are also smarting as Old Rangers renaged on payments for Lee Wallace. About £800,000 owed. I believe. At least Vlad could have a wee smile about that one as one third of the 'Mafia' bites the dust.
 
Wrong the old firm bullied their way to 80% share of sky money.

Nows the time to get it carved up properly to let the rest of the clubs get a fair share. Any and all income should be in a pot and divvied out on position in the league, with a more stringent check on clubs finances eg the ratio of income to wages etc. If things get done properly NOW scottish football can reap the benefits for YEARS down the line.
 
Chris it is the one chance they have to sort it out.
Look at recent results of the three main Scottish Trophies.
Hells teeth even wee Gretna got to a SFA Cup final so folk who say the OF dominate trophies are wide of the mark. The League, now that is a different story, where money and a strong squad do count.
Forget Sky and negotiate a lower TV deal that all clubs can benfit from.
One of the reasons the OF have performed poorly in Europe is through lack of competition.
Sport thrives on competition and even if the standard is of a lower level crowds would improve.
Your Raith/ Dunfermilne/Dundee triangle is a good response.
 
With Rangers the people responsible for the "cheating" have left the club and should never be involved in football again. The fans, most of whom will have supported the club all their lives, are guilty of nothing more than naivety (I'm talking about the corporate governance stuff - not any abuse/thuggery etc that some individuals have done - and all football clubs have an undesirable element in their support - so please nobody toss that back here).

But would that not mean that any team could break any number of rules they ever wanted to and simply get rid of the CEO claiming "the person who was in charge has left" and "you can't punish the fans"?
 
they hav been punished , out of europe for 3 years . 10 points per season , and fined thousands . liquidated . players leaving . assets being sold . burn at the stake maybe next,
But would that not mean that any team could break any number of rules they ever wanted to and simply get rid of the CEO claiming "the person who was in charge has left" and "you can't punish the fans"?
 
they hav been punished , out of europe for 3 years . 10 points per season , and fined thousands . liquidated . players leaving . assets being sold . burn at the stake maybe next,

Garbage. No punishment has been dished out. No europe as you dont meet the criteria (no accounts) players leaving - the club has eased to be in existence. 10 points per season - where did that come from?
 
As it now stands my diddy wee club, Raith Rovers, have won more trophy's than Rangers :whoo:


Awwwww look, a wee team supporter:whoo:


As it stands mate, Burntisland Shipyard have more trophies than Rangers.

Never mind only a season til the wee team will get to play Rangers in the 2nd division, if they manage to get promoted from the 3rd that is;)
 
they hav been punished , out of europe for 3 years . 10 points per season , and fined thousands . liquidated . players leaving . assets being sold . burn at the stake maybe next,

I'm assuming you're a rangers fan!?

What justification do you think there is for keeping them in the spl. I hope they survive but in div 3 in accordance with the rules and regulations they themselves signed up to.

Europe is a nonsense, if they had finished 4th this season and not qualified they would still be up the swanny
 
you're absolutely spot on there mate. Liverpool moved on decades ago whilst the Old Firm are netrneched and will be decades before they do move on. I love Liverpool and its people, with some great friends we still visit. I used to play on the irony for Old Firm fans who instantly thought Everton were a Proddy club because of their links with Rangers signings etc!!!
Used to live in Anfield Rd and still support Everton but that area has declined a lot in recent years even though it was never that great anyway. Seems they've spent loads on the centre and docksides and left the rest of the town to go to the dogs, but I suppose it's come a long way from 20 years ago.
 
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