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Great statement from Hibs fans:thup:

AUTHOR: hibsclub

The Hibs Club has watched events in Scottish football this summer with increasing concern:

For Hibs and their fans this summer should have been solely about a much needed rebuilding process.

Instead we have watched with increasing concern as the whole Scottish game has been tarnished by the financial collapse of Rangers.

As Hibs fans we know only too well how men concerned more with profiteering than the wishes of fans can risk the very existence of a football club.

So it is with increasing dismay that we have watched Scottish football tear itself apart in its attempts to protect a business model that operates more for the benefit of TV executives than ordinary supporters.

We believe that the new Rangers – if they can satisfy the usual standards demanded for SFA membership – should start out again in the Third Division.

We welcomed the “no” vote passed by the SPL, including our own club, but we have watched with dismay as the SPL clubs have stood silently on the sidelines as their own Chief Executive – with the help and approval of a now entirely discredited SFA – has tried to bully and threaten lower division clubs into submission.

Not only do we find the tactics used by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan abhorrent, we also take issue with the doomsday scenarios they have offered as evidence.

While TV money and corporate sponsorship are undoubtedly important we do not believe that all of them would vanish if the Rangers newco was not guaranteed a place in the SPL within 12 months.

We would also argue that additional benefits – including a return to more regular 3pm Saturday kick off times – would offset some of the lost revenue.

This, however, is an issue that should go beyond finances.

It is essential that Hibernian – like all clubs – are part of a fair and equitable league structure with governing bodies that are consistent and reasonable in their treatment of all clubs.

We do not believe that is currently the case and we would call on all SPL clubs – including our own – to urgently address the damage being done to the game by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan.

We have long felt that reconstruction of the league structure was a critical factor in strengthening the Scottish game.

The proposals that are currently being discussed destroy the prospect of a strong Scottish game and are aimed solely at rebuilding a strong Rangers.

These attempts at craven gerrymandering for the sake of one club are an affront to all the commitments to “sporting integrity” we have heard over the last few months.

Many Hibernian fans feel cheated. While the financial sacrifices made at Easter Road have not always found favour with many of our fans we do appreciate that these decisions have been made in the interests of long term stability.

We now find our voices ignored as rules are broken or rewritten to favour a club that has spent money it could not afford to buy success.

It is heartbreaking for us to hear members speak of not going back to Easter Road or of turning their back on the Scottish national team.

These are not hollow threats. They are a symptom of the disillusionment many fans feel at a game that seems to constantly betray its paying customers.

While we have sympathy for ordinary Rangers fans left bewildered by current events we have also been saddened over the last few months to hear Ally McCoist attempt to destroy a disciplinary process that had been created to help move the game forward.

Other comments from high profile Rangers figures such as Sandy Jardine have seemed to be nothing more than vindictive threats against other clubs. These have left us shocked and angered.

Now we find ourselves in the unacceptable position of watching Charles Green attempt to sign players while footballing debts to other clubs – debts that are as important as any projected TV or sponsorship income – remain unpaid.

Yet this apparent lack of contrition is being ignored as the Scottish football authorities unite to do what they feel is best for just one club.

We would hope that the European and global footballing authorities are watching these developments with interest and will move to censure the Scottish governing bodies.

Hibernian Football Club is our passion. We want to see a strong Hibs on the pitch and off the pitch. We want to see a sustainable Hibernian at the heart of our community.

22 years ago we united as fans to save Hibernian.

Today we find ourselves united in calling for Scottish football to end the current uncertainty, withdraw the the current campaign of bullying and threats aimed at our friends in the Scottish Football League and allow Rangers to rebuild their devastated club from the Third Division.

Fans of other clubs have been accused of “hating” Rangers.

We are defined not by hatred of any club but by our love of Hibernian.

A strong Hibernian in a strong Scottish game will forever be our one and only aim.

A few men motivated by greed and money currently risk that vision.

Fans of Hibernian and every other club cannot stand silently by and let that happen
 
While I would not disagree with the sentiment of the statement i.e. RFC to go to division 3. I would strongly disagree with a number of points of it. There are a number of points and accusations aimed at RFC that could be equally applied to some other clubs, previously and currently, but there has never been any statement from the Hibs supporters clubs regarding them. However the two most glaring point I disagree with are


“The proposals that are currently being discussed destroy the prospect of a strong Scottish game and are aimed solely at rebuilding a strong Rangers.”

Really. You think it’s in RFC interests to be in Div 1 with only 5 players. The team will have to be made up of 16-17 year olds. Their level and experience would be far more suited to Div 3. With next to no money to invest these kids are the future of the club, for their personal development and the long term development of RFC it is better to try and build up gradually (as with any business out there) starting at a level that can be sustained. Also if RFC go to division 1 there are still sanctions going to be applied (out with the EBT case) as stated by the SFA. As yet RFC do not know what they are but the SFA still want RFC to accept the transfer embargo. A transfer embargo and a five man squad would not be in the best interests of RFC. Indeed our Manager has come out and said div 3 would be best and I think anybody with the clubs best interests at hart would agree. I wish those in charge of the club would see it, but unfortunately these people are only wanting a quick return on their investment.



“We welcomed the “no” vote passed by the SPL, including our own club, but we have watched with dismay as the SPL clubs have stood silently on the sidelines as their own Chief Executive – with the help and approval of a now entirely discredited SFA – has tried to bully and threaten lower division clubs into submission.”


It should be pointed out that Doncaster is the appointed CEO of the SPL. If the SPL clubs feel he is not acting within the interests of the clubs or SPL board any of them could try to raise a vote of No confidence in him. The only SPL club to speak out against Div1 has been Aberdeen who can easily sustain a loss of income as the Chairman could straighten his elbows and reach the bottom of his deep pockets Why has there been silence from all other clubs and in particular those with representatives on the SPL board? (Celtic, Motherwell, St Johnstone and Dundee Utd).

Maybe it’s because Div1 is not being “aimed at solely building a strong Rangers”. Maybe it is being done so that Rangers can be used as a cash cow to retain TV contracts etc to sustain SPL clubs. We have heard lots of statements about sporting integrity (quite rightly) from SPL chairmen when indicating they would vote not to accept RFC into the SPL. If this sporting integrity was is/still so important why are they not challenging Neil Doncaster on the Div 1 proposal?


If the Hibernian fans, or fans of any other SPL club, are unhappy with the plan to place RFC, in Division 1, then perhaps they should address their concerns to the boards of the Scottish football authorities,

Indeed, the Hibernian Supporters Club are in an excellent position to do so, given that their Chairman, Rod Petrie, who is vice president of the SFA, is one of the main architects of this proposal, and he briefed Charles Green on it.
 
This is all wheelin and dealin to sort out the SPL2 league.

As I said earlier if the price to pay for a re-structured league is Newco in the 1st [SPL2] division I would not be too unhappy about that.

In the re-structure at least half a dozen clubs will have to go.
To consider newco to be one of those clubs would IMO not be the best business move for the remaining clubs.
 
Re-structuring would have to involve a lot more than just making two leagues under the SPL umbrella though. It would have to be a lot fairer to all clubs, bring back the days of shared gate receipts and an equal split of any TV money, equal voting rights and other things helped at increasing the strength of all clubs which in turn will help increase competitiveness in our top league, which will also benefit the Old Firm.

I am not against Rangers being in any league if its for the greater good of our game in the long run and on the whole and not just for the O.F. and their puppets in the SPL/SFA.
 
STOP PRESS *** Hot Prospect Rhys mcCabe to leave Gers for Portsmouth ***

You know your in trouble when one of your top youth players leaves for a safer contract at Portsmouth :whistle:
 
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I will say it again I don't believe sevco will be able to play in ANY league next year. Seemingly the have only sold 600 season books which some of the mine will have to be refunded if the third division beckons. Also with gate sharing why should Celtic suffer and prop up clubs tha can't get the money required? would be like Vodafone having to give mine to O2 as they have more customers.
 
chris661 said:
I will say it again I don't believe sevco will be able to play in ANY league next year. Seemingly the have only sold 600 season books which some of the mine will have to be refunded if the third division beckons. Also with gate sharing why should Celtic suffer and prop up clubs tha can't get the money required? would be like Vodafone having to give mine to O2 as they have more customers.
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Clubs used to gate share up until the SPL was started. And what has happened to Scottish football since?

We used to have a competitive league in Scotland or is that what the Old Firm are scared of? They want to use the lack of a competitive league as an excuse when getting horsed out of Europe by the lesser lights of Euro football but deep down dont really want competition just in case their monopoly of the league title is threatened.

We could even relegate Celtic to the 3rd along with Rangers, this gives Sky their 4 games a season as well as bringing bigger crowds to the lower divisions for the couple of years it takes for both the O.F to work their way back to the SPL....:p ;)
 
I think it is clear that Sevco will not be in a position to field a side by the start of the season. I believe it was never Green’s intention to run a Scottish football club. Clear evidence for that is the “death by powerpoint” presentation to the SPL. That cannot have been simple incompetence.

If Green wants to run a football club at all (still an open question) then he wants it in English football. He has said as much. But more likely he just wants to screw every halfpenny he can out of the situation.

That is the position on the face of it.
But wait a minute~there is clearly something else going on here. Where are Green’s backers? Where is Whyte? Who REALLY owns Ibrox and Murray Park? Who is paying the wages and other bills right now? When does Sevco run out of cash? Whatever happened to the Blue Knights?

Anybody can see that Sevco are on the brink of insolvency. So why on earth are the SFL meeting on Friday? To admit Sevco to any part of the SFL on Friday involves tearing up the rulebook. To admit Sevco to SFL1 involves threading the torn out pages of the rulebook on a string for urgent use in what we used to call the cludgie. This is all totally obvious.

I’ve just read the Hamilton Accies statement. It is as if we are going to see a total restructuring of Scottish football in the next 3 weeks. Does anyone believe that can happen? I don’t see how, but I’ve been wrong before, and for whatever reason Regan and Doncaster are clearly truly desperate men.

Which brings me to the point of this post. Why are Regan and Doncaster so desperate that they will pay absolutely any price, tell any lies, bend or break their own rules, to “save” Sevco? They are both English, so presumably not born with the “follow follow” mentality which afflicts the Scottish media to the point of slavering sycophancy. So what is the real reason? I can only think that they are pawns in a much bigger game, and stand to be very well rewarded at the end of all this. If that is the case, I would love to know who the real power broker is. SDM? And what is the game, exactly? Are there “big” people who are so completely compromised that jail time looms large, and all of this is part of some desperate plan to save their skins? How does inserting an insolvent Sevco into the SFL help anyone’s cause?

Or is there another explanation?

The whole game has been now found to be corrupt to the core and I cannot see how the Scottish Game is ever going to recover from the disgusting mess Rangers and the governing bodies have created.

http://checkthis.com/vvnn :rofl:
 
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Page 65 of FIFA Statutes reads:

VIII. SPORTING INTEGRITY​
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A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship
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In addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participationin a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteriawithin the scope of the licensing procedure, whereby the emphasisis on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financialconsiderations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examinedby the Member’s body of appeal.
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Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitateits qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence fora domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrityof a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example,changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferringstakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must beable to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
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Each Member is responsible for deciding national issues, which maynot be delegated to the Leagues. Each Confederation is responsiblefor deciding issues involving more than one Association concerningits own territory. FIFA is responsible for deciding international​
issues involving more than one Confederation.

Full document http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/01/09/75/14/fifa_statutes_072008_en.pdf

Quite sure FIFA may have something to say if the SFA/SPL try to put Rangers straight into 1st Division
 
smange said:
Page 65 of FIFA Statutes reads:

VIII. SPORTING INTEGRITY​

Article​

19 Principle of promotion and relegation​


1​

A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship
shall depend principally on sporting merit. A club shall qualify fora domestic league championship by remaining in a certain divisionor by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.
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2​

In addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participationin a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteriawithin the scope of the licensing procedure, whereby the emphasisis on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financialconsiderations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examinedby the Member’s body of appeal.
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3​

Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitateits qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence fora domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrityof a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example,changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferringstakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must beable to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
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4​

Each Member is responsible for deciding national issues, which maynot be delegated to the Leagues. Each Confederation is responsiblefor deciding issues involving more than one Association concerningits own territory. FIFA is responsible for deciding international​

issues involving more than one Confederation.

Full document http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/01/09/75/14/fifa_statutes_072008_en.pdf

Quite sure FIFA may have something to say if the SFA/SPL try to put Rangers straight into 1st Division
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This appeared on twitter from a journalist (possibly JaneLewis)

Point 4 states that Each member is responsiblefor deciding national issues. If SFA decide that Div1 is correct, FIFA will not get involved. It would still be seen as a demotion for Newco.

As for SFA holding on to players registration, this is perfectly normal and was probably to be expected.

The process involves buying club asking their FA to obtain player registration. buying club FA asks SFA who in turn ask oldco/newco. Newco object so the SFA hold onto registration. SFA will see advice from FIFA and UK employment law. THe advice will be that Newco don't have a leg to stand on and SFA will then hand over registration. THe SFA are quite rightly being cautious
 
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Sevco....the gift that truly does keep giving.

Gazza pledges to play for them next season.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

One of the Andy Gorams will be next to say he'll play no doubt,mind you that may not be a bad move as the fat git will fill the goal.

Brightened up my dull morning drive no end did that.:whoo:
 
StuartD said:
This appeared on twitter from a journalist (possibly JaneLewis)

Point 4 states that Each member is responsiblefor deciding national issues. If SFA decide that Div1 is correct, FIFA will not get involved. It would still be seen as a demotion for Newco.

As for SFA holding on to players registration, this is perfectly normal and was probably to be expected.

The process involves buying club asking their FA to obtain player registration. buying club FA asks SFA who in turn ask oldco/newco. Newco object so the SFA hold onto registration. SFA will see advice from FIFA and UK employment law. THe advice will be that Newco don't have a leg to stand on and SFA will then hand over registration. THe SFA are quite rightly being cautious
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To be demoted you have to be there in the first place, Newco are not there so it's not demotion or punishment. If anything it's promotion 2 leagues above where they should be.
 
StuartD said:
This appeared on twitter from a journalist (possibly JaneLewis)

Point 4 states that Each member is responsiblefor deciding national issues. If SFA decide that Div1 is correct, FIFA will not get involved. It would still be seen as a demotion for Newco.

As for SFA holding on to players registration, this is perfectly normal and was probably to be expected.

The process involves buying club asking their FA to obtain player registration. buying club FA asks SFA who in turn ask oldco/newco. Newco object so the SFA hold onto registration. SFA will see advice from FIFA and UK employment law. THe advice will be that Newco don't have a leg to stand on and SFA will then hand over registration. THe SFA are quite rightly being cautious
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Im reading it differently from you Stuart as I read point 4 as relating to the National team, as in the leagues cant decide issues relating to the national side, any major issues have to be decided by the ruling body, in this case the SFA.

Maybe im reading it wrong though
 
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