Val
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Naismith when fit will be a cracking addition for Everton to be fair.
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thecraw
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In relation to Regan who is now claiming he was "misquoted" I found this letter on another site. If everyone copies it, signs it and emails it to the SFA it could get interesting.
HughJars
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^^^Good letter that Craw, guy that wrote it clearly knows his stuff! ;-)
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birdieman
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I’ve been following the Rangers debacle with interest. Was thinking like everyone else up here how this might unfold.
What happens next Thursday if the SFL clubs don’t accept newco in any of the 3 leagues? Does that mean newco is washed up completely and Green sells everything for whatever he can get? Can they afford to sit out for a year? Many of the SFL chairmen are publicly saying they wont be bullied and are ignoring scaremongering from Regan and the like and do not want a newco in their league, especially parachuted straight into Div 1. The SPL didn’t want newco so why would the SFL? This seems like a real possibility.
Many Rangers fans seem to now want Division 3 in the hope that it will be seen as a fair punishment but more than that many think it will get other SPL/SFL clubs into financial difficulties which is just spiteful given the position their former owners have left them in and the way other clubs are now not letting sevco walk all over them in their attempts to find a way back in. The “we’re Rangers therefore we’re more important than you†stance that the club and fans seem to continue to take is what’s riling other clubs the most, sheer arrogance and no acceptance of the magnitude of the fallout from their £130 million odd debts they now cannot pay back. They have by appauling mismanagement effectively stolen money from creditors though why people continued to invest over the past few years I have no idea. They racked up that debt it seems by repeatedly overspending and speculating wildly on Champions League success bringing in money over something like a 20 year period with no questions being asked. At some point as the debts racked up and up surely people should’ve stepped in but instead we just saw revelry from fans in cleaning up domestically over and over again. Unless their attitude changes and they show some remorse and humility at this point I would not be upset to see Sevco Rangers disappear altogether. There will always be some kind of football league to go and watch in Scotland even if clubs all go part time!
Some non league clubs want to join the league so why should newco queue jump just because of size and former glories? Seems to me if newco disappear altogether and with it their alleged cash cow (if true) which supports all the other clubs in Scotland, the only way to drastically reduce costs IMO is to -
Interesting times!
What happens next Thursday if the SFL clubs don’t accept newco in any of the 3 leagues? Does that mean newco is washed up completely and Green sells everything for whatever he can get? Can they afford to sit out for a year? Many of the SFL chairmen are publicly saying they wont be bullied and are ignoring scaremongering from Regan and the like and do not want a newco in their league, especially parachuted straight into Div 1. The SPL didn’t want newco so why would the SFL? This seems like a real possibility.
Many Rangers fans seem to now want Division 3 in the hope that it will be seen as a fair punishment but more than that many think it will get other SPL/SFL clubs into financial difficulties which is just spiteful given the position their former owners have left them in and the way other clubs are now not letting sevco walk all over them in their attempts to find a way back in. The “we’re Rangers therefore we’re more important than you†stance that the club and fans seem to continue to take is what’s riling other clubs the most, sheer arrogance and no acceptance of the magnitude of the fallout from their £130 million odd debts they now cannot pay back. They have by appauling mismanagement effectively stolen money from creditors though why people continued to invest over the past few years I have no idea. They racked up that debt it seems by repeatedly overspending and speculating wildly on Champions League success bringing in money over something like a 20 year period with no questions being asked. At some point as the debts racked up and up surely people should’ve stepped in but instead we just saw revelry from fans in cleaning up domestically over and over again. Unless their attitude changes and they show some remorse and humility at this point I would not be upset to see Sevco Rangers disappear altogether. There will always be some kind of football league to go and watch in Scotland even if clubs all go part time!
Some non league clubs want to join the league so why should newco queue jump just because of size and former glories? Seems to me if newco disappear altogether and with it their alleged cash cow (if true) which supports all the other clubs in Scotland, the only way to drastically reduce costs IMO is to -
- slash wage bills - if that means over the hill foreigners no longer come and there is an exodus of pros going abroad looking for ££ then so be it, that may help Scottish youngsters get in teams. Our better pros plying their trade in England or Europe should improve the quality of our national team too.
- Pay players £50k to £100k per year not per week which is still a damn good wage. If you don’t have huge overheads as a club then you don’t need to rely as much on tv money. This business of saying it’s a short career so I have to make a fortune now is ridiculous, retrain after football and get a different job like the rest of us. If you are good enough a team from a wealthy foreign league will make you rich. Medicore players should not be on massive wages. £5k/week for example is a fortune to your average man in the street.
- Make the current 4 divisions into 2 divisions and have each club play other teams 2x per year in the league, not 4 or more.
- Play on a Saturday at 3pm, not every other night of the week. People can get to the match then and have a highlights show in the evening on tv but not too late for kids to watch.
- Get a lower value tv deal with BBC/ITV (Sportscene/Scotsport) again and spread 70% of tv money evenly across all clubs in the top division with a smaller 30% pot spread evenly across all clubs in lower division. Football clubs survived long before tv came along so it can survive without Sky. We do not need Sky.
- Get the punters back by reducing ticket prices drastically so a family of 4 can go watch for £25. This would increase gates. It’s only an hour and a half’s entertainment, it should not cost anything like it does presently. Ordinary folks (rather than diehard fans) who might fancy going along sometimes will not pay the stupid prices to get in.
- Get rid of playing through winter and play the season the Scandinavians and Russians play. That would let us enjoy football in reasonable weather, maybe even in t-shirts and sunnies, again increasing gates. It’s not like we have a county cricket season up here!
- Accept that competing in European club comps is generally beyond us, treat it as a novelty and focus on having a domestic league that is competitive. Scottish league will always be a feeder league to the EPL and other bigger leagues so why fight that.
- We need to focus on how countries like Denmark and Sweden do things and copy their model. Sky tv doesn’t bother with those leagues but they do ok, they never win European club comps anymore but they are competitive leagues and do produce consistently decent international teams.
Interesting times!
Doon frae Troon
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Birdieman
Astute summing up there.
I think the point here is will the fans put their wallets where their mouths are and start to buy the season tickets.
An SPL without Rangers seems like a good opportunity for my club Hearts to step up to the plate.
Or
Will they see the SPL as being devalued without a team of the Old Rangers football playing standard.
Scottish football is horrendously overpriced and a pricing structure you speak of would probably work.
10,000 gates @£10 a head is much better than 4.000 gates @£25. Secondary spend, atmosphere, join the crowd.
Astute summing up there.
I think the point here is will the fans put their wallets where their mouths are and start to buy the season tickets.
An SPL without Rangers seems like a good opportunity for my club Hearts to step up to the plate.
Or
Will they see the SPL as being devalued without a team of the Old Rangers football playing standard.
Scottish football is horrendously overpriced and a pricing structure you speak of would probably work.
10,000 gates @£10 a head is much better than 4.000 gates @£25. Secondary spend, atmosphere, join the crowd.
I think the fans will buy season tickets now. I'm even considering buying myself ( which I haven't done for four years now ).
If Celtic had gone the same way as Rangers, I'd definitely get one.
If Celtic had gone the same way as Rangers, I'd definitely get one.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Just had a look at the 5 page proposal presented to the 11 other clubs to persuade them to let a Rangers team into the SPL.......
20 mins work in a broom cupboard with a laptop & a staple gun would have produced a more professional document
The content is......(i'm stuck for the words really)
Check out story in Telegraph online to see it
20 mins work in a broom cupboard with a laptop & a staple gun would have produced a more professional document
The content is......(i'm stuck for the words really)
Check out story in Telegraph online to see it
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
I can't see newco hanging around for long, if reports in that rag they call The Daily Record are to be believed newco have sold a total of 250 season tickets
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chris661
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Apparently the "diddy" teams got copies that were only stapled together and Celtic got their copy spiral bound. But that pales into insignificance when you see the back page, arrogant or what?
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
also apparently, while the Chairmen are all reading that piffle, they're on the part about a voluntary transfer embargo, when one of them gets an email on his blackberry announcing Ian Black will sign for Sevco5088 if they are admitted into the SPL.
Timing....
Timing....
smange
Journeyman Pro
Iain, im right in saying your a killie fan arent I?
If so have you read your chairmans statement regarding his abstination from the SPL vote?
And if you have read it are you still going to buy a season ticket?
I hope your chairman is ready for a large decrease in numbers of away fans at your ground next season
Stephen,
Yes, I'm a Killie fan.
I've read this statement http://www.kilmarnockfc.co.uk/articles/20120705/official-statement_85961_2833623
I presume this is the one you're talking about.
Would certainly have preferred him to vote no, but can understand, given the figures why he abstained. I'm only surprised that he listened to anyone and didn't vote yes.
Will I get a season ticket? I doubt it, but if I don't it won't be because of the abstention.
Fan boycotts? Over the years there's been many threats of boycotts over everything from ticket pricing to the quality of the pies.
These tend not to happen, or if they do they fizzle out in a week or two.
Time will tell.
Yes, I'm a Killie fan.
I've read this statement http://www.kilmarnockfc.co.uk/articles/20120705/official-statement_85961_2833623
I presume this is the one you're talking about.
Would certainly have preferred him to vote no, but can understand, given the figures why he abstained. I'm only surprised that he listened to anyone and didn't vote yes.
Will I get a season ticket? I doubt it, but if I don't it won't be because of the abstention.
Fan boycotts? Over the years there's been many threats of boycotts over everything from ticket pricing to the quality of the pies.
These tend not to happen, or if they do they fizzle out in a week or two.
Time will tell.
Kaizer_Soze
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Killie = Huns in stripes
williamalex1
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that might just be a good idea, could call them the killgers and they'r back in the spl
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I think Mr Johnson had one eye on the Old Rangers fans transfering to Killie. There are plenty in North Ayrshire.
smange
Journeyman Pro
At last some good news for Rangers:thup:
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chris661
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And now for some bad news. The recent announcement that goal line technology is to be introduced wont affect rangers as hawkeye say it won't work with jumpers for goalposts.
Wa wa waaahhhhhh
smange
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A message from Cloughie to Rangers
[video=youtube;NRVaLs4cBlg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVaLs4cBlg[/video]
[video=youtube;NRVaLs4cBlg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVaLs4cBlg[/video]
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