Rabbit scrapings help

[Kezza2k]

Hi
Can someone please help me on a ruling I had the other day not sure if I got it right. My ball landed under a tree and was in a hole I declared as rabbit scrapings! Is the rule drop within 1 club length no nearer the hole? Or nearest point of relief?
Thanks

 

[Spuddy]

Nearest point of relief and then you drop within 1 club length of that, no nearer the hole. If you dropped within one club length of the scraping then you'll be fine. If however playing the ball would not have been practical because of the tree then no free relief is available and you would need to declare it unplayable and proceed accordingly

 

[Kezza2k]

Thanks spuddy, I did drop within 1 club length and i managed to get a club on it but I wasn't sure if I was right by getting 1 club length, and nearest point wasn't obvious as it was in a hole no bigger than the ball. It was buried and surprised we found it.

 

[Spuddy]

Thanks spuddy, I did drop within 1 club length and i managed to get a club on it but I wasn't sure if I was right by getting 1 club length, and nearest point wasn't obvious as it was in a hole no bigger than the ball. It was buried and surprised we found it.

Generally if it's a free drop then it's 1 club length. If you are taking a penalty (eg unplayable) then it's 2. The nearest point of relief might only be a couple of inches away.

 

[Kezza2k]

Ah brill thank you

 

[Foxholer]

Remember that you have to be certain that it's a Rabbit scraping, for which you get relief, rather than a Squirrel one, for which you don't!

The obvious identifier is the presence, or absence, of rabbit droppings.

 

[palindromicbob]

For some reason I have an image of someone in explorer gear standing with a flag or maybe throwing a bottle of champagne on the ground saying proudly "I declare this hole as a rabbit scrapping"

 

[pogle]

Remember that you have to be certain that it's a Rabbit scraping, for which you get relief, rather than a Squirrel one, for which you don't!

The obvious identifier is the presence, or absence, of rabbit droppings.

How do you tell the difference between rabbit droppings and squirrel droppings?

 

[Colin L]

How do you tell the difference between rabbit droppings and squirrel droppings?

By Googling, how else?


http://www.wildlife-removal.com/squirrelpoop.html

http://www.arkive.org/rabbit/oryctolagus-cuniculus/image-A7192.html

 

[Old Skier]

How do you tell the difference between rabbit droppings and squirrel droppings?

Cause there not the same http://www.wildlife-removal.com/squirrelpoop.html

:smirk::smirk::smirk:

 

[Old Skier]

By Googling, how else?


http://www.wildlife-removal.com/squirrelpoop.html

http://www.arkive.org/rabbit/oryctolagus-cuniculus/image-A7192.html

very quick, do you have poo bookmarked :lol:

 

[Stuey01]

Anyone know why they

 

[Colin L]

Anyone know why they

... in the woods, like bears, do you mean?

 

[Old Skier]

... in the woods, like bears, do you mean?

 

[TheJezster]

Cant you aim in a different direction and if ok you can choose to take the free drop. If this then means you can use a different club and go back to a different direction (ie towards the green) then thats ok?

 

[Spuddy]

Cant you aim in a different direction and if ok you can choose to take the free drop. If this then means you can use a different club and go back to a different direction (ie towards the green) then thats ok?

Yes. Provided your original shot would have been reasonable (eg chipping it back onto the fairway) then any subsequent shot can be played however you like. If after dropping you now have a clear line of sight to the green then so be it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I used to play on a links course. It was amazing how often I was told a divot was in fact a rabbit scraping. Amazing how much scraping the rabbits did on that course.

 

[Colin L]

Yes. Provided your original shot would have been reasonable (eg chipping it back onto the fairway) then any subsequent shot can be played however you like. If after dropping you now have a clear line of sight to the green then so be it.

The original shot (i.e. the one you would have played had the abnormal ground condition not been there) simply must be practicable. . If a shot is at all possible that's all that's needed for that part. Additionally, the stroke has to be reasonable and the stance not abnormal.

By the way, could someone who talks of relief from a rabbit "scraping" explain to me how that merits being considered an abnormal ground condition? It doesn't sound to me like a hole, cast or runway.

 

[Fish]

By the way, could someone who talks of relief from a rabbit "scraping" explain to me how that merits being considered an abnormal ground condition? It doesn't sound to me like a hole, cast or runway.

This.

I am amazed at how many people who have been playing for many years expect relief from the shallowest of "scrapes" that are no deeper, if deep at all than a saucer!

There is no mention of the word "scrape" in the rules that I have ever found and as you state, a scrape is not a hole, cast or runway.

I've even had some so-called self proclaimed knowledgeable golfers always insist on relief just because there has been "activity", ie droppings, it always changes the mood of the round when playing with/against me as I refuse far more than I give, especially against some real old know-it-all seniors.

I think too many people give in and don't want the confrontation so these myths end up growing rather than being thinned out, if its not a hole or a runway from a burrowing animal, even if there's some droppings in the vicinity, you wouldn't get a "scrape" relief off me :ears:

Maybe ask the Pro afterwards for his decision

 

[Region3]

This.

I am amazed at how many people who have been playing for many years expect relief from the shallowest of "scrapes" that are no deeper, if deep at all than a saucer!

There is no mention of the word "scrape" in the rules that I have ever found and as you state, a scrape is not a hole, cast or runway.

I've even had some so-called self proclaimed knowledgeable golfers always insist on relief just because there has been "activity", ie droppings, it always changes the mood of the round when playing with/against me as I refuse far more than I give, especially against some real old know-it-all seniors.

I think too many people give in and don't want the confrontation so these myths end up growing rather than being thinned out, if its not a hole or a runway from a burrowing animal, even if there's some droppings in the vicinity, you wouldn't get a "scrape" relief off me :ears:

Maybe ask the Pro afterwards for his decision

I agree, but something I've never really known is - what is a runway?

I would assume (which usually means I'm wrong) that a runway is a well used strip of ground that they use to go backwards and forwards to wherever rabbits go. If that's the case, I can't imagine it being very deep, maybe as deep as if they'd just scraped some mud away?