Quick poll on your new handicap index

[Yorkshire Hacker]

I was Congu 11.1. Then logged onto the WHS platform earlier this week, it was 11.6. Now I'm down to 11.3. Looking at my history, it has me as 8.8 in July '18.
I have NEVER been lower than 11.0.
Puzzled Yorkshire hacker.

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

A few days ago my WHS handicap was 4.7 up on my CONGU handicap. Today it is only 3.6 up, without any additional score having been added? It is still completely wrong though as all our club scores have been processed as though they were from the yellow tees and will hopefully be corrected before we can play again on 9th November.

 

[jim8flog]

How has a 7 capper only got 5 scores.?
That dosnt seem right!

I do not actually know but was told it by the County Handicap sec.

handicap protection maybe? only playing in pairs comps!!

 

[Old Skier]

A few days ago my WHS handicap was 4.7 up on my CONGU handicap. Today it is only 3.6 up, without any additional score having been added? It is still completely wrong though as all our club scores have been processed as though they were from the yellow tees and will hopefully be corrected before we can play again on 9th November.

This yellow tee issue seems strange. I can understand the maths being wrong in the algorithm but as I presume it's a straight drag through of info from one system to another the data at the original point might be wrong and comps may have been set up wrong anyone with this problem got the club to check back and see how the original comp was set up?
Just a thought.

 

[Old Skier]

From EG

Competition Scratch Score (CSS) and Mapping of Tees
We are happy to provide clubs with an immediate update on the questions of CSS and mapping of tees.

• All historical data regarding the CSS has now been successfully pulled from the old system and included on the new one

• Our team is currently working to refresh elements of the new system which deal with the mapping of tees and courses

 

[clubchamp98]

You guys are virtually making it out like he's done something wrong...

Maybe he or a family member has been ill, maybe he's lost his golf mojo temporarily like we all can, maybe he's been shielding, maybe he works at the nearby Naval Air Station and has been away working? (OK the last one is a bit of a stretch for a WAFU) ?

Either way, if he's a proper 7 handicap, it's a ludicrous system that now cuts him to Zero just because he hasn't played much ?‍

I wasn’t saying anything of the kind.
not many people come into the game on a single figure handicap
so it could be a clerical error.
You should not jump to conclusions i was just asking a question,
He is more or less the same cap as me and scores go back 3 years I was told.
He may have been out the game for longer than that.
But it’s very unusual for a 7 cap to just stop playing.
Agree the last bit. This system doesn’t recognise your playing history ,only your last 20 rounds.
That could be the last 3 weeks for some people.

 

[fenwayrich]

A few days ago my WHS handicap was 4.7 up on my CONGU handicap. Today it is only 3.6 up, without any additional score having been added? It is still completely wrong though as all our club scores have been processed as though they were from the yellow tees and will hopefully be corrected before we can play again on 9th November.

All ours are showing as though they have been played off the reds, although the CSS adjustment has now been made. The scores on the England Golf database are all correct (although there are quite a few missing!), so hopefully when the thing goes live on Monday everything will be corrected. Hopefully........

 

[rulefan]

I prefer the old system.

When did you last play under the new system?

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

This yellow tee issue seems strange. I can understand the maths being wrong in the algorithm but as I presume it's a straight drag through of info from one system to another the data at the original point might be wrong and comps may have been set up wrong anyone with this problem got the club to check back and see how the original comp was set up?
Just a thought.

It is strange as last year we were using HowDidIDo and this year Master Scoreboard so it involves two different software providers. When you look at the handicap history, that is all wrong as well, showing way more than the actual.

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

All ours are showing as though they have been played off the reds, although the CSS adjustment has now been made. The scores on the England Golf database are all correct (although there are quite a few missing!), so hopefully when the thing goes live on Monday everything will be corrected. Hopefully........

We've got an extra week for it to be corrected as we can't play until 9th November at the earliest due to the firebreak lockdown.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My HI is a little lower than my exact handicap. When I factor that by my club course slope my CH is a little higher than my current handicap. When I then factor 0.95 for singles (if that is the factor) then my PH for singles at my own course is almost exactly the same as my current handicap (well singles PH is 0.2 higher than current exact)

 

[Jigger]

To help with an online piece for the website can you let us know how your handicap has been affected with the new index and provide as much info and background as possible in the comments below. Much obliged..

Not sure if you’re still looking at this but I’m a bit dubious on the slope ratings. There’s two courses in my area, one where as a society we average 6 strokes better and yet that is rated easier than the other course. The concept of the system seems great but I don’t think there’s a mechanism in place to change the slopes over time from what I’m hearing Which seems bizarre.

 

[BubbaP]

Not sure if you’re still looking at this but I’m a bit dubious on the slope ratings. There’s two courses in my area, one where as a society we average 6 strokes better and yet that is rated easier than the other course. The concept of the system seems great but I don’t think there’s a mechanism in place to change the slopes over time from what I’m hearing Which seems bizarre.

What are the course ratings for the two courses?

 

[Jigger]

What are the course ratings for the two courses?

129 for the easier one and 125 for the harder one.

 

[BubbaP]

129 for the easier one and 125 for the harder one.

That's the slopes, the course ratings better articulate difficulty.

 

[Jigger]

That's the slopes, the course ratings better articulate difficulty.

Off Whites.
Easy course. Par 71 course 69.4 bogey 93.9 slope actually 132
harder course (I’m a member of). par 72. Course 73.7 bogey 97.6 slope 129

bearing in mind my hcp is calculated off index x (slope/113) I could have a scenario where I’m getting 1 less shot on the harder course. Fine detailed margin I know.

I’m an 18 hcp at present and on a steady day on both courses I’m hitting at least 4 less shots on the easy course which is reflected in the course rating but not the slope it’s calculated off.

 

[doublebogey7]

Off Whites.
Easy course. Par 71 course 69.4 bogey 93.9 slope actually 132
harder course (I’m a member of). par 72. Course 73.7 bogey 97.6 slope 129

bearing in mind my hcp is calculated off index x (slope/113) I could have a scenario where I’m getting 1 less shot on the harder course. Fine detailed margin I know.

I’m an 18 hcp at present and on a steady day on both courses I’m hitting at least 4 less shots on the easy course which is reflected in the course rating but not the slope it’s calculated off.

It is reflected in.the CR, which is what your score is measured against to determine whether you played better or worse than your handicap suggests. If England golf had just gone with including CR in.the calculation we wouldn't be having these misunderstandings.

 

[BubbaP]

Off Whites.
Easy course. Par 71 course 69.4 bogey 93.9 slope actually 132
harder course (I’m a member of). par 72. Course 73.7 bogey 97.6 slope 129

bearing in mind my hcp is calculated off index x (slope/113) I could have a scenario where I’m getting 1 less shot on the harder course. Fine detailed margin I know.

I’m an 18 hcp at present and on a steady day on both courses I’m hitting at least 4 less shots on the easy course which is reflected in the course rating but not the slope it’s calculated off.

Okay, but to "break even"/"match the course" you'll need a net 69 on the first and a net 74 in the second.

 

[Jigger]

It is reflected in.the CR, which is what your score is measured against to determine whether you played better or worse than your handicap suggests. If England golf had just gone with including CR in.the calculation we wouldn't be having these misunderstandings.

Ever the opportunity to make things complicated

 

[doublebogey7]

Ever the opportunity to make things complicated

Though, in this respect WHS, as implemented in England is no different to CONGU.