Putting the world to rights

[PhilTheFragger]

Couple of tragic items in the news this week which really got my goat

1 The 2 teenage girls knocked down and killed in Gosport........

What the heck is a 14 year old girl doing out on the streets at 04.15 in the morning?

2 The little girl killed by a dog near Leicester....

Why would anyone buy such a massive dog which has been previously abused when you have very young children and you live in a flat.

Is it me or are you also wondering if these events should have been avoided

 

[chrisd]

Couple of tragic items in the news this week which really got my goat

1 The 2 teenage girls knocked down and killed in Gosport........

What the heck is a 14 year old girl doing out on the streets at 04.15 in the morning?

2 The little girl killed by a dog near Leicester....

Why would anyone buy such a massive dog which has been previously abused when you have very young children and you live in a flat.

Is it me or are you also wondering if these events should have been avoided

And it'll be everyone else's fault but the parents!

 

[bladeplayer]

Is it me or are you also wondering if these events should have been avoided

Could probably ask that about any tragedy tho Phil ..

 

[Stuey01]

You what'll really help? A nice bit of self-righteous judgement on a golf forum. Yes, that should help no-end. :thup:

 

[bladeplayer]

You what'll really help? A nice bit of self-righteous judgement on a golf forum. Yes, that should help no-end. :thup:

 

[PhilTheFragger]

It's obviously not going to help the victims or their families, but it might make other people think a bit more about their actions and responsibilities.

And it's not about self righteous judgement, it's about common sense, something that seems to be lacking in these instances.

 

[bladeplayer]

It's obviously not going to help the victims or their families, but it might make other people think a bit more about their actions and responsibilities.

And it's not about self righteous judgement, it's about common sense, something that seems to be lacking in these instances.

Had a close call last week ourselves mate , BUT one member of the family couldnt understand the fuss being kicked up when 3 kids (cousins , girls 11/12/14) were allowed walk a considerable distance from where they were staying to a town they werent familiar in ,

(long story short) some guy approached them and tried to get them to go to his car , he followed them for a bit and the eldest girl took them into a supermarket ..
The persons whose responsibility they were said we were over reacting about it , i wanted to thump his head off ..

 

[SocketRocket]

You what'll really help? A nice bit of self-righteous judgement on a golf forum. Yes, that should help no-end. :thup:

'Out of Bounds' gives a bit of a clue why its not about Golf.

 

[ger147]

Could probably ask that about any tragedy tho Phil ..

One story that is close to home from this week...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24821758

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

2 The little girl killed by a dog near Leicester....

Why would anyone buy such a massive dog which has been previously abused when you have very young children and you live in a flat.

I note mother is blaming dog home she got it from. Did mother tell dog home that she had young children? If YES then dog home should be taken to task - if NO then your question is absolutely valid.

 

[Hobbit]

I think there's a few things to bear in mind when commenting on tragic events, 1) has the media reported it accurately...? Probably not because they want banner headlines. 2) How would we feel if we were in the centre of a tragedy and used the forum for light relief? Would we really want to read some of the holier than thou comments when we were suffering from such a tragedy?

I can think of two moments of carelessness by other parents that could have had very serious consequences. A mother pops into the kitchen leaving a toddler in the garden. Toddler falls into swimming pool, and get its legs caught in the pool ladder and its head is down well below water level. A 10yr old Hobbit jumps in and holds the baby's head above water till mum returns - and the Hobbit couldn't swim then.

A mother walking along, pushing a buggy and holding the hand of a toddler. Mum reaches down to get something off the buggy tray, and the toddler makes a dash for freedom between two parked cars. Hobbit's cat like reactions and natural athleticism recognises the danger in a flash, dashes across the road and pushes the toddler out of the way of a car as it comes around the corner... no thank you off the mother either.

Was either of those instances carelessness by flakey parents or lapses in concentration by good parents? Do either of those parents deserve the slating we often see on a forum after a tragic event?

There but for the grace of God...

 

[AmandaJR]

I note mother is blaming dog home she got it from. Did mother tell dog home that she had young children? If YES then dog home should be taken to task - if NO then your question is absolutely valid.

Surely it's her responsibility and decision to make regarding the dog/her children whether she told the dog's home or not?

It is a terrible tragedy and can't imagine the pain she's going through but apportioning blame to the dog's home sounds wrong.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Surely it's her responsibility and decision to make regarding the dog/her children whether she told the dog's home or not?

It is a terrible tragedy and can't imagine the pain she's going through but apportioning blame to the dog's home sounds wrong.

As @hobbit has cautioned - we just don't know the truth behind these things. And to be honest of what real interest and concern are such stories to any of us in any case?

My only real interest would be a concern if the dog home had known of there being young children. In my view the dog home should not be allowed through legislation to offer such a dog to a home with young children. There is a public interest in knowing about such incidents since through the public being aware then legislation is more likely to be forthcoming. Any criticism of the mother should really be kept to the individual - far too much ill-informed and opinionated finger pointing goes on these days.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Always a risk of media twisting the facts (no really) to sell papers. Sad when any tragedy strikes. Sometimes its a case of wrong place wrong time and nothing more than that

 

[Golfmmad]

[QUOTE far too much ill-informed and opinionated finger pointing goes on these days.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing "Ill informed", about a mother choosing to own a large dog, when she lives in a flat with a young child.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think there's a few things to bear in mind when commenting on tragic events, 1) has the media reported it accurately...? Probably not because they want banner headlines. 2) How would we feel if we were in the centre of a tragedy and used the forum for light relief? Would we really want to read some of the holier than thou comments when we were suffering from such a tragedy?

I can think of two moments of carelessness by other parents that could have had very serious consequences. A mother pops into the kitchen leaving a toddler in the garden. Toddler falls into swimming pool, and get its legs caught in the pool ladder and its head is down well below water level. A 10yr old Hobbit jumps in and holds the baby's head above water till mum returns - and the Hobbit couldn't swim then.

A mother walking along, pushing a buggy and holding the hand of a toddler. Mum reaches down to get something off the buggy tray, and the toddler makes a dash for freedom between two parked cars. Hobbit's cat like reactions and natural athleticism recognises the danger in a flash, dashes across the road and pushes the toddler out of the way of a car as it comes around the corner... no thank you off the mother either.

Was either of those instances carelessness by flakey parents or lapses in concentration by good parents? Do either of those parents deserve the slating we often see on a forum after a tragic event?

There but for the grace of God...

Top post, especially the 1st paragraph. And good rescuing work fella. I said this in a similar thread about the girls killed. Some posters say stupid things like 'My first reaction was to think what were they doing out there'. When you kind of think anyone's first reaction to to 2 young girls getting killed should really be sympathy for their family and friends. Not a kind of indirect 'told you so'.

I am sure in all of these cases, plus others we have seen where parents are blamed, the parents will be looking forwards to a life of pain and anguish. I am sure some think they deserve it in the back and white world of right and wrong taken from tabloid headlines some seem to live in. But to me these sort of comments don't really add much to the situation or show the forum in the greatest of lights in my humble opinion, but there you go....

 

[CMAC]

As @hobbit has cautioned - we just don't know the truth behind these things. And to be honest of what real interest and concern are such stories to any of us in any case?

My only real interest would be a concern if the dog home had known of there being young children. In my view the dog home should not be allowed through legislation to offer such a dog to a home with young children. There is a public interest in knowing about such incidents since through the public being aware then legislation is more likely to be forthcoming. Any criticism of the mother should really be kept to the individual - far too much ill-informed and opinionated finger pointing goes on these days.

is it just my Irony meter that's gone into overload!

 

[vkurup]

It's obviously not going to help the victims or their families, but it might make other people think a bit more about their actions and responsibilities.

And it's not about self righteous judgement, it's about common sense, something that seems to be lacking in these instances.

Agree... I think the Govt should do more about it (isnt that the standard response for such things)..

 

[chrisd]

Funny that as soon as we comment on issues of the day, widely reported in the media, that we get postings saying that we shouldn't express our opinions because it might upset someone. In the case of the girl dying from an attack by a dog I can't see that the basic reporting will have been anything but accurate

If a mother goes to a dog sanctuary and takes a very large dog to live in a flat and, furthermore, that the sanctuary don't think that decisions is likely to cause a problem with a youngster also living there too, then I wouldn't think that my criticism of them is really going to make matters worse!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

is it just my Irony meter that's gone into overload!

I just don't think dog homes (which are most likely all charitable institutions) should be 'homing' powerful and potentially dangerous dogs to families with small children, as it openings the dog home up to serious criticism - as it might receive for this incident. I'm not saying any such family shouldn't own one - that's their choice and lookout. And I'm not criticising the mother - it's her consciensce that will have to deal with this - sadly - and she will have to deal with any and all feelings of guilt she will have.