Putting Statistics

[NorfolkShaun]

Sorry. My '36 minus cap' should have been '36 [18*2 putts] minus (18 minus 'cap)[GIR target]' still 27 for a 9-capper. In truth, 27 is the high boundary for me - anything above is a poor day or maybe a long/tough course.

I'm being a bit thick here Foxholer could you please explain this for a 16 handicap golfer.

Thanks

 

[duncan mackie]

See i think tracking your stats at our standard should adapted to the normal.

even as a Cat1 golfer, i track my stats as

Fairway - am i able to hit my approach shot in the exact way i want too (regardless of fairway or first cut)
Green - am i able to use a normal putting stroke (regardless of fringe or green)

my question would be - would you seriously say you 'missed the green' when you are on the fringe 10ft from the flag?

if you did, your recovery stats will be over inflated and your putting stats will show too good.

obviously its what YOU make of your own stats, so that's all that really matters

way too sensible - take a gold star but stand in the corner!

the reality behind most stats get's easily lost anyway - I had 33 putts in today's comp, which would seem to be a little on the high side but nothing disastrous; but the actual putts hole by hole were

0 1 2 3 3 2 3 3 2 3 2 1 3 1 1 2 0 1

which, bluntly (and correctly), suggests that the putting was a complete nightmare.

3 putting 1 par 5 for par might seem a little frustrating, doing it twice verges on suicidal..........

clearly my NGT failed me then, and now - putter change is the obvious solution

 

[Foxholer]

I'm being a bit thick here Foxholer could you please explain this for a 16 handicap golfer.

Thanks

My 'norm' probably works best for around my level, but.....

Count Putts taken, Subtract GIRs; Establish a reasonable 'marker/norm' for a 'good' round - in your case probably over 30 and 34 wouldn't actually be awful. Compare rounds.

My reasoning is that it's a metric I can easily check after the round - I can remember GIRs and any 3 or 1/0 putts, so don't need to gather stats as I go. It removes the 'is fringe GIR' question and up/downs and 1 putts are 'positives' while a 3 putt isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing - if from an 'unexpected' GIR.

 

[DaveM]

Dont do stats. Don't see the point. I don't need stats to tell me what needs work. But then I can remember every shot I've hit in the round. Not interested how well/bad/indifferent I putted 1/2 weeks ago or yesterday for that matter. Only interested in the round I'm on.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

way too sensible - take a gold star but stand in the corner!

the reality behind most stats get's easily lost anyway - I had 33 putts in today's comp, which would seem to be a little on the high side but nothing disastrous; but the actual putts hole by hole were

0 1 2 3 3 2 3 3 2 3 2 1 3 1 1 2 0 1

which, bluntly (and correctly), suggests that the putting was a complete nightmare.

3 putting 1 par 5 for par might seem a little frustrating, doing it twice verges on suicidal..........

clearly my NGT failed me then, and now - putter change is the obvious solution

Thank you Duncan, saved me a lot of time.
I remember in the days of yore having about 20 putts with the help of three chip ins.

Can't believe no one has asked the OP what his score was?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I keep my stats and can see where mistakes happen but the simple truth of the matter is when I put the effort in and practice, especially from 6 feet and in, I putt better. Not scientific but simple

 

[Oddsocks]

Putts are anything from the short grass, if it's not on the green it's not a putt., but like foxholer putts are relative to girs or missed greens.

What I will say is if a pin is tight left back as an example and chasing the pin I miss the green left fringe or back fringe then I don't count that as a missed green, because the ball was on target for the 1/4 of the green I was aiming at, it quite
Ossicle to chase a pin and have a ball check or release to much or not enough even though the shot was bang on target

 

[JustOne]

Sorry. My '36 minus cap' should have been '36 [18*2 putts] minus (18 minus 'cap)[GIR target]' still 27 for a 9-capper. In truth, 27 is the high boundary for me - anything above is a poor day or maybe a long/tough course.

You expect to hit 9 GIR's as a 9 h/capper???????

#confused

 

[duncan mackie]

You expect to hit 9 GIR's as a 9 h/capper???????

#confused

agree - terrible

as an 11 I expect to hit 18 !

 

[bladeplayer]

I think stats but putting stats in particular are very misleading .. heres my reasoning

(1) 18 x 1 putts in a round is good putting yes ?

(2) 40 putts bad yes ?
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(1) i pitched in really close or i missed greens and chipped in stone dead , ok good putting but they were mostly tap in's... great chipping and pitching mask and give unclear putting stat

(2) Duffed my pitches and chips as far from the flag as possible on most greens , 30-40 foot putts , lucky to only 2 putt some of them so rubbish chipping & pitching effect my putting stats

Ok maybe a bit exaggerated on the ammounts but do ya see what i mean , a good wedge player will prob have good putting stats as a result

 

[NorfolkShaun]

My 'norm' probably works best for around my level, but.....

Count Putts taken, Subtract GIRs; Establish a reasonable 'marker/norm' for a 'good' round - in your case probably over 30 and 34 wouldn't actually be awful. Compare rounds.

My reasoning is that it's a metric I can easily check after the round - I can remember GIRs and any 3 or 1/0 putts, so don't need to gather stats as I go. It removes the 'is fringe GIR' question and up/downs and 1 putts are 'positives' while a 3 putt isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing - if from an 'unexpected' GIR.

Thanks, makes sense. Would say i'm normally in the low 30's maybe high twenties.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I appreciate that people like to analyse all parts of their game but the only number that matters is total number of shots.

We all know how fickle this game is. I could hit every fairway and green in regulation then 2 putt every green or I could miss every fairway and green then chip and single putt every green. Either way it is a level par round. Which makes me the better golfer?

 

[Foxholer]

I appreciate that people like to analyse all parts of their game but the only number that matters is total number of shots.

We all know how fickle this game is. I could hit every fairway and green in regulation then 2 putt every green or I could miss every fairway and green then chip and single putt every green. Either way it is a level par round. Which makes me the better golfer?

Indeed, there's certainly an element of 'over-analysis' exhibited by some - the US obsession with stats guarantees that!

But if you want to improve, have a limited amount of time and want to concentrate on the area(s) that provide maximum benefit, then you have t be able to measure the contribution or improvement somehow - other than overall score.

For me, Putts - GIR is about as 'deep' as I need to go with numbers. I know whether I am hitting the Driver well/further than normal - my other key 'stat' - but don't bother with FIR/FH as it seems meaningless.