Pronouns

[rosecott]

Please don't judge me on this as those who know me know I am "of a certain age",

I just received an email from a well-known charity in response to my request for a digital copy of their logo to incorporate into the entry forms for a charity fundraising event at my club.

I was quite tickled to see a third line after the sender's name and job title. It read "Pronouns: she/her".

 

[Orikoru]

I don't know if you were looking for an explanation, but this has caught on because of non-binary people who want it be known they should be referred to as 'they/them' rather than he or she, plus transgender people who want it to be known that they are a 'he' rather than a 'she' or vice versa. So a lot of non-trans people have started identifying their pronouns as well in order to support this becoming commonplace.

I have no problem with it of course, other than grammatical. It is very difficult to get used to calling someone 'them' in place of 'him' or 'her'. Reading this section for example - my brain has a hard time processing that as correct language.

 

[Dando]

My daughter has declared themself non binary and changed their name.

It’s a fecking nightmare trying to remember what I can or can’t use

 

[D-S]

Is there a logic to the use of the plural? This is what sounds odd to me and may only add to the confusio.

 

[Kellfire]

Is there a logic to the use of the plural? This is what sounds odd to me and may only add to the confusio.

They and them can be both singular and plural in normal use.

 

[IanM]

In a multi national project team its blooming handy when you get a name where you are not sure if the originator is male or female. (and this works both ways)

We use it for that, but plenty of folk in our organisation use it to show support for folk, who don't want their support, but just to be treated as colleagues

 

[Orikoru]

Is there a logic to the use of the plural? This is what sounds odd to me and may only add to the confusio.

It's not really plural, it's like when you say "the golfer hits their ball". It just sounds weird to say "Dave hits their ball" because we're not used to it.

 

[toyboy54]

My daughter has declared themself non binary and changed their name.

It’s a fecking nightmare trying to remember what I can or can’t use

Try-" Hey you "....What SWMBO sometimes calls me when can't be bothered remembering my name

 

[SaintHacker]

Its something invented by the professionally offended as they were running out of things to be offended by.

 

[Orikoru]

It's like Jurassic Park in here sometimes. ?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

If this thread is to remain open, it will require the subject to be discussed as adults, not silly little schoolboys

 

[Foxholer]

If this thread is to remain open, it will require the subject to be discussed as adults, not silly little schoolboys

Should this post be reported as sexist and ageist?
Seems to me it's a reflection of the 'perils' of -perhaps/likely - Covid required - remote working!

 

[Captainron]

I get called all sorts so I don’t give a damn what someone wants to identify me as. Not for me.

 

[Oxfordcomma]

Tend to take the view that if it's not doing me any harm then who cares? Useful for the tiny tiny percentage of folk who are trans/non-binary and actually need to draw attention to it, and if others want to show support then go ahead and bust a gut.

The only bit that bugs me is when you see people with the possessive pronoun added, things like "She/Her/Hers". What language are you speaking where "Hers" does not automatically follow from "Her"?

 

[RichA]

Not everyone is born binary male or female, so why should they be labelled and addressed in a manner devised before people like them were recognised?
I'm old and don't fully understand it all, but I'm certain these folks don't deserve to be the targets of anyone's derision. It's not the 70s anymore.

 

[Dando]

Its something invented by the professionally offended as they were running out of things to be offended by.

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[Fade and Die]

 

[SaintHacker]

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Really? How very adult. Yet you yourself refer to your child as 'daughter', thus assigning them a gender they no longer have.
In my dinosaur/circus clown opinion you are born one or the other, depending on what bits you have. If you then go on to change that in later life, fine, you can change it. If you are attracted to the opposite/same/both, fine, go for it, be happy. But the fact remailns you are born either biologically male/female, end of. And if that offends, well, I don't care...

 

[Hobbit]

Really? How very adult. Yet you yourself refer to your child as 'daughter', thus assigning them a gender they no longer have.
In my dinosaur/circus clown opinion you are born one or the other, depending on what bits you have. If you then go on to change that in later life, fine, you can change it. If you are attracted to the opposite/same/both, fine, go for it, be happy. But the fact remailns you are born either biologically male/female, end of. And if that offends, well, I don't care...

How about if physically you were born x but your head says you are y?

 

[SaintHacker]

How about if physically you were born x but your head says you are y?

Then like I said you have the option to change. But the fact remains you will be going from one to the other.