Professional Golf 2024 & 2025

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Not sure anyone are “PGAT guys”
They’re just anti any thing LIV.

When once they were big Poulter & Westwood fans,now they will look to post only negatives about them at every opportunity

Crazy how obsessed and upset people get over a golf tour

Nailed it

It’s all golf enjoy it all or just what you choose to watch and move on. After all it’s golf not a Penis don’t take it so hard !!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Nailed it

It’s all golf enjoy it all or just what you choose to watch and move on. After all it’s golf not a Penis don’t take it so hard !!

I honestly don’t get why the players who signed up for LIV suddenly become the bad guys

Especially ex Ryder cup stars like Poulter & Westwood,you’ve gone from people that would not have a bad word said against them,to now the same people having petty digs at every opportunity.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I honestly don’t get why the players who signed up for LIV suddenly become the bad guys

Especially ex Ryder cup stars like Poulter & Westwood,you’ve gone from people that would not have a bad word said against them,to now the same people having petty digs at every opportunity.

They’re not bad guys, they’re people
That made a choice that others don’t like and rather than being man enough to accept that they ridicule, belittle and complain. Few years earlier Poulters a hero for his Ryder cup antics, Westwood’s best player to never have won a major having got to World No1 etc, oh they’re off to LIV well they were never all that,
Money chasing scum bags.

Rory bad mouths them, he’s entitled to his opinion and just answering questions. Westwood does it back he’s petty, childish and unwarranted.

God forbid a footballer downs tools refuses to play and honour a contract but it’s ok he signed for a bigger team, how else is he expected to get a move and better himself and his wallet!! Or another moves to Saudi money chasing scum bags! Not digging out individual by the way just highlighting the way one sport is scum and the other in many eyes gets justified

Get where I’m going with this……. It’s double standards, petty and quite frankly sad! It’s not just this thread the football one is just as bad!

 

[Mel Smooth]

They’re not bad guys, they’re people
That made a choice that others don’t like and rather than being man enough to accept that they ridicule, belittle and complain. Few years earlier Poulters a hero for his Ryder cup antics, Westwood’s best player to never have won a major having got to World No1 etc, oh they’re off to LIV well they were never all that,
Money chasing scum bags.

Rory bad mouths them, he’s entitled to his opinion and just answering questions. Westwood does it back he’s petty, childish and unwarranted.

God forbid a footballer downs tools refuses to play and honour a contract but it’s ok he signed for a bigger team, how else is he expected to get a move and better himself and his wallet!! Or another moves to Saudi money chasing scum bags! Not digging out individual by the way just highlighting the way one sport is scum and the other in many eyes gets justified

Get where I’m going with this……. It’s double standards, petty and quite frankly sad! It’s not just this thread the football one is just as bad!

Like the Liverpool fans booing Trent Alexander-Arnold t'other week cos he had the audacity to leave the club. Bearing in mind the tragedy that hit the club over the summer - that would have had a big impact on the kid (like all the other players and staff that had worked with Diogo Jota). Personally, I don't get the mentality.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Like the Liverpool fans booing Trent Alexander-Arnold t'other week cos he had the audacity to leave the club. Bearing in mind the tragedy that hit the club over the summer - that would have had a big impact on the kid (like all the other players and staff that had worked with Diogo Jota). Personally, I don't get the mentality.

Not gonna get into the whole Trent Liverpool thing it’s been done to death on the other thread and apparently we don’t understand!

You get the point though it’s pathetic double standards that are allowed for suitably proving an argument when people can simply not accept a grown man/woman has made a choice they’re perfectly entitled to. Like I’ve said before watch or don’t , but don’t criticise one and defend others in golf or other sports simply because that’s what suits your (not you specifically) argument for one upmanship!

 

[Mel Smooth]

Back to the golf.

I'm not sure what the permutations are for the top 2 in the international series, but Anthony Kim is hanging in with a birdie on the 2nd - Tabuena is 3 under and as I see it will jump up from 3rd to 2nd place. Scott Vincent 1 over through 4 - he's currently the top of the rankings.

I might have to go and find a dodgy stream to watch it on - there's a lot on the line for these guys today...

 

[The Squirrel]

Seen this a few places already so perhaps there’s an element of truth to it. Be interested to see the reasoning behind it and what led him to choose to do so.

If he does hopefully he can maintain a level of playing rights in DPWT like Hatton and play an element of both tours. I can see reasons why he would choose it and fair play he’s entitled to go wherever he wants if he’s earned the right or even invited to play.

Maybe Canter felt like the PGAT is just a level beyond him. 6 starts on American soil last year led to 5 missed cuts and a single weekend finish ..... of 55th place on +15; so the stats say he couldn't compete - but to be fair those were largely starts in Majors/Players level events. In his late 30s the need to go up a level together with the grind required to "learn" golf in the US, probably by playing in the minor and autumn tournaments, doesn't look that attractive to him I would think, and the risk is that step up may never happen. He'll know his own game best and what tours it would fit on and be competitive within, together with other factors in life, so fair play to him - you have to do what's best for you.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Like the Liverpool fans booing Trent Alexander-Arnold t'other week cos he had the audacity to leave the club. Bearing in mind the tragedy that hit the club over the summer - that would have had a big impact on the kid (like all the other players and staff that had worked with Diogo Jota). Personally, I don't get the mentality.

What the heck has Trent and the sad passing of Jota got to do with people’s opinion on Poulter and Westwood - both are golfers that have divided opinions for years - if you are going to go on a moral crusade about it then at least remove the bias towards Liv golfers and show the same attitude to someone like Rory who is consistently under “attack” from certain fanbase

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Maybe Canter felt like the PGAT is just a level beyond him. 6 starts on American soil last year led to 5 missed cuts and a single weekend finish ..... of 55th place on +15; so the stats say he couldn't compete - but to be fair those were largely starts in Majors/Players level events. In his late 30s the need to go up a level together with the grind required to "learn" golf in the US, probably by playing in the minor and autumn tournaments, doesn't look that attractive to him I would think, and the risk is that step up may never happen. He'll know his own game best and what tours it would fit on and be competitive within, together with other factors in life, so fair play to him - you have to do what's best for you.

Who knows just be nice to hear his reasons and silence all the people inevitably and already calling him out on social media.

I like the guy and I like the decision he’s made and fully support it as gives him chance to compete and earn money.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Maybe Canter felt like the PGAT is just a level beyond him. 6 starts on American soil last year led to 5 missed cuts and a single weekend finish ..... of 55th place on +15; so the stats say he couldn't compete - but to be fair those were largely starts in Majors/Players level events. In his late 30s the need to go up a level together with the grind required to "learn" golf in the US, probably by playing in the minor and autumn tournaments, doesn't look that attractive to him I would think, and the risk is that step up may never happen. He'll know his own game best and what tours it would fit on and be competitive within, together with other factors in life, so fair play to him - you have to do what's best for you.

It’s an interesting choice when he wasn’t required a couple years back , he has worked very hard on the DP tour , earned a ticket to the PGAT but going back to LIV ?

It also makes a mockery of any sort of pathways when they are picking players as opposed to qualifying for the tour - surely all the spots should be up for qualifying

And there also is some players that didn’t get relegated but still might not play if a captain doesn’t want them -it’s a mess of a tour is at the whims of a “captain

 

[Mel Smooth]

It’s an interesting choice when he wasn’t required a couple years back , he has worked very hard on the DP tour , earned a ticket to the PGAT but going back to LIV ?

It also makes a mockery of any sort of pathways when they are picking players as opposed to qualifying for the tour - surely all the spots should be up for qualifying

And there also is some players that didn’t get relegated but still might not play if a captain doesn’t want them -it’s a mess of a tour is at the whims of a “captain

So you're saying players that have qualified to play on the PGAT, might not be good enough for LIV and should have to qualify separately?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So you're saying players that have qualified to play on the PGAT, might not be good enough for LIV and should have to qualify separately?

I’m saying that any player that plays on a tour should qualify as opposed to be “picked”

 

[Mel Smooth]

I’m saying that any player that plays on a tour should qualify as opposed to be “picked”

Why?

 

[BubbaP]

Maybe Canter felt like the PGAT is just a level beyond him. 6 starts on American soil last year led to 5 missed cuts and a single weekend finish ..... of 55th place on +15; so the stats say he couldn't compete - but to be fair those were largely starts in Majors/Players level events. In his late 30s the need to go up a level together with the grind required to "learn" golf in the US, probably by playing in the minor and autumn tournaments, doesn't look that attractive to him I would think, and the risk is that step up may never happen. He'll know his own game best and what tours it would fit on and be competitive within, together with other factors in life, so fair play to him - you have to do what's best for you.

Not sure about the 'levels', but agree with the 'learn US' thinking. He didn't go the US college route. Has residences in UK & Dubai, so maybe didn't fancy the full relocation to US part. As you mention, wouldn't have been in the top PGAT events initially. Plus he knows what he's going back into, but in a stronger position.

 

[BubbaP]

Ultimately the tours are businesses, and in the entertainment space. Plenty of well documented cases of bypassing qualifying to strengthen eyes in the product.
PGAT discretionary special temporary membership
Media recognised players being added to signature events when not qualified
Media recognised players being added to R2D events when not qualified
Etc.

I don't really have a problem with it, as can understand it. Also I don't pretend full sporting meritocracy exists in the pro game.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Why?

It’s called earning your playing rights , as it is in all the tours and most sports

 

[Mel Smooth]

It’s called earning your playing rights , as it is in all the tours and most sports

Which sports?

If Mbappe wanted to play in the Premier League, would he have to qualify before he could sign for a club?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Which sports?

If Mbappe wanted to play in the Premier League, would he have to qualify before he could sign for a club?

Tennis , most Olympics sports where you have to reach standard to qualify , snooker, darts - I would expect any individual sports a single sportsman or women would need to qualify

There is imo no comparison between football and golf

 

[Mel Smooth]

Tennis , most Olympics sports where you have to reach standard to qualify , snooker, darts - I would expect any individual sports a single sportsman or women would need to qualify

There is imo no comparison between football and golf

Yet as has been mentioned above, we often see players being invited to take part in elite golfing events who have absolutely no chance of competing at the top end.

Imagine Liverpool trotting out Ian Rush in the Charity Shield mate - ridiculous isn't it.

That's where we are with golf - you don't think Canter is qualified to play on LIV despite being one of the top ten on the european tour, and top 70 in OWGR, but we've no issue with Fred Couples taking a spot at The Masters next year...

Step back and think about how ludicrous that is.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yet as has been mentioned above, we often see players being invited to take part in elite golfing events who have absolutely no chance of competing at the top end.

Imagine Liverpool trotting out Ian Rush in the Charity Shield mate - ridiculous isn't it.

That's where we are with golf - you don't think Canter is qualified to play on LIV despite being one of the top ten on the european tour, and top 70 in OWGR, but we've no issue with Fred Couples taking a spot at The Masters next year...

Step back and think about how ludicrous that is.

Fred Couples qualified for The Masters by winning it

Players “taking part” in individual events its not a comparison to someone playing on a whole tour without qualifying

If a you tuber was picked to play on a tour you would be critical of it

For a player to get a PGAT , ET , Asian or Sunshine Tour card they need to go through a qualifying process

You’re very critical of players earning tour cards to the PGAT from the ET - a legitimate pathway but it’a ok for them to be picked by a captain on LIV ?