Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
This is everything that is wrong with ffp. Club in debt = No issue, Club debt free = fine & a ban.
If the sheik called in his debt and City went to the wall, what would you say then?
If the sheik called in his debt and City went to the wall, what would you say then?
davemc1
Journeyman Pro
What I’ve seen of him he’s been a cracker. Surprising he gets ignored in all the sancho talk, I know who’d I’d sooner haveselling Gnabry for 5m still looks cracking business i see
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Deleted member 16999
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So what’s the difference between 8 with multi-millionaires and 12 with millionaires, you’ll still have the imbalance.
I really, genuinely, admire your pov, sadly I just don’t think it’ll ever happen.
More than happy to apologise and buy you a pint if in the future it went the way you suggest.
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If FSG sold out to Chinese or Arab billionaires what would say? We can play ifs and buts all night, the fact is, ffp rules are not working.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
You can sell to a Billionaire who gives you nothing (see Arsenal), or you can sell to a scouse euro millions 100 million winner who gives you 99 million, its what they invest is what matters in a way.......or what direction they give you.
FSG have given us massive direction and a small investment compared to others, and I'm fine with that now that we are self-paying for stadium expansion with our own money/loans, not gifts.
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
1NeymarBarcelona - PSG2017€222m
2Kylian MbappeMonaco - PSG2017€145m (+€35m)
3Joao FelixBenfica - Atletico Madrid2019€126m
4 CoutinhoLiverpool - Barcelona2018€120m (+€40m)
5Antoine GriezmannAtletico Madrid - Barcelona2019€120m
6 Ousmane DembeleBorussia Dortmund - Barcelona2017€105m (+€45m)
7Paul PogbaJuventus - Manchester United2016€105m
8, Gareth BaleTottenham - Real Madrid2013€100.8m
9,Cristiano RonaldoReal Madrid - Juventus2018€100m
10, Edin HazardChelsea - Real Madrid2019€100m (+€40m)
11Cristiano RonaldoManchester United - Real Madrid2009€94m
12,Gonzalo HiguainNapoli - Juventus2016€90m
13, Harry MaguireLeicester City - Manchester United2019€87.1m
14 Neymar Santos - Barcelona2013€86.2m
15, Romelu LukakuEverton - Manchester United2017€84.8m
16, Virgil van DijkSouthampton - Liverpool2018€84.5m
17, Luis SuarezLiverpool - Barcelona2014€82.3m
18, James RodriguezMonaco - Real Madrid2014€80m
18, Kepa ArrizabalagaAthletic Bilbao - Chelsea2018€80m18, Lucas HernandezAtletico Madrid - Bayern Munich2019€80m
18, Romelu LukakuManchester United - Inter2019€80m
22, Nicolas PepeLille - Arsenal2019€79m
23 Alvaro MorataReal Madrid - Chelsea2017€78.9
24, Zinedine ZidaneJuventus - Real Madrid2001€77.5m
25, mathias de LigtAjax - Juventus2019€75m (+€10.5m)
26, Kevin De BruyneWolfsburg - Manchester City2015€75m
27 Frenkie de JongAjax-Barcelona2019€75m
28, Angel Di MariaReal Madrid - Manchester United2014€74.6m
29, Allison de BeckerRoma - Liverpool2018€73m
30, Luka JovicFrankfurt - Real Madrid2019€70m
30, Rodri Atletico Madrid - Manchester City2019€70m
Looking at that list of top 30 transfers. Citys highest at 26 th. Even that suprised me. Still have some way to go to join the really big top table.
2Kylian MbappeMonaco - PSG2017€145m (+€35m)
3Joao FelixBenfica - Atletico Madrid2019€126m
4 CoutinhoLiverpool - Barcelona2018€120m (+€40m)
5Antoine GriezmannAtletico Madrid - Barcelona2019€120m
6 Ousmane DembeleBorussia Dortmund - Barcelona2017€105m (+€45m)
7Paul PogbaJuventus - Manchester United2016€105m
8, Gareth BaleTottenham - Real Madrid2013€100.8m
9,Cristiano RonaldoReal Madrid - Juventus2018€100m
10, Edin HazardChelsea - Real Madrid2019€100m (+€40m)
11Cristiano RonaldoManchester United - Real Madrid2009€94m
12,Gonzalo HiguainNapoli - Juventus2016€90m
13, Harry MaguireLeicester City - Manchester United2019€87.1m
14 Neymar Santos - Barcelona2013€86.2m
15, Romelu LukakuEverton - Manchester United2017€84.8m
16, Virgil van DijkSouthampton - Liverpool2018€84.5m
17, Luis SuarezLiverpool - Barcelona2014€82.3m
18, James RodriguezMonaco - Real Madrid2014€80m
18, Kepa ArrizabalagaAthletic Bilbao - Chelsea2018€80m18, Lucas HernandezAtletico Madrid - Bayern Munich2019€80m
18, Romelu LukakuManchester United - Inter2019€80m
22, Nicolas PepeLille - Arsenal2019€79m
23 Alvaro MorataReal Madrid - Chelsea2017€78.9
24, Zinedine ZidaneJuventus - Real Madrid2001€77.5m
25, mathias de LigtAjax - Juventus2019€75m (+€10.5m)
26, Kevin De BruyneWolfsburg - Manchester City2015€75m
27 Frenkie de JongAjax-Barcelona2019€75m
28, Angel Di MariaReal Madrid - Manchester United2014€74.6m
29, Allison de BeckerRoma - Liverpool2018€73m
30, Luka JovicFrankfurt - Real Madrid2019€70m
30, Rodri Atletico Madrid - Manchester City2019€70m
Looking at that list of top 30 transfers. Citys highest at 26 th. Even that suprised me. Still have some way to go to join the really big top table.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Liverpool didnt sign the first million pound player or some of the other big signings around the same time, it was the likes of Wolves and Notts Forest.
Compare City's overall player total, rather than per player and Im sure they will be in the top 3-4 in the world, or even average player cost.
A worthless stat.
Paul, this is the exact type of downplaying by City fans of how money has been the difference, which is why we denigrate some of the success. Case in point, thanks Tashy.
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Tbf Pete, I don’t understand Tashy’s point either.Liverpool didnt sign the first million pound player or some of the other big signings around the same time, it was the likes of Wolves and Notts Forest.
Compare City's overall player total, rather than per player and Im sure they will be in the top 3-4 in the world, or even average player cost.
A worthless stat.
Paul, this is the exact type of downplaying by City fans of how money has been the difference, which is why we denigrate some of the success. Case in point, thanks Tashy.
Almost every stat can be played one way or another, I mentioned to Stu that you yourselves had spent over £1billion since the PL began, now I understand City have spent more in 12 years than 30, but my point is, no matter how much you try and level the financial side of the game, you never will and ffp has failed to do that.
Yes we can give FSG all the plaudits in the world for how they’ve turned your finances around, but they’ve also increased their value from £200 million they paid for you to now worth over £2 billion and it’s took 10 years, and I would argue they’ve done it with a global brand, clever business men doing what needed to be done from a business pov.
I know you don’t like it, but to compete with the top 6 in the PL you need a billionaire and you need them to spend to have any chance of closing that gap, that spend is restrained by ffp.
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
The one that REALLY stands out is Zidane €77.5 m in2001. Realise Madrid usually pay over the odds but would anybody care to guess what that figure would be in2020?
Wolf
Well-known member
Based on inflation I'd estimate around €100 m. But obviously that's just the inflation of his actual transfer fee. If you want to know what he'd be worth if he was in his prime now then absolutely no idea it'd have to be up there with Mbappe somewhere.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course there will never be an absolute level playing field, which is why prem sides generally have 35k+ stadiums, champiosnhip are 25k+ and similar as you go down the leagues.
However, in the past Burnleys, Forest, City,Leicester and even Spurs won one league in 1961,
but the financial gaps could be bridged by good manages, players youth set ups as well as money. Now money bridges any gap.I'm not saying that FFP is perfect or even right, but instead of limiting spend, why dont you limit income into the top clubs, instead? Or have a salary cap.
Pipe dreams some may say, but not impossible and if we look at other sports similar has happened.
Tashyboy
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someone had posted the list on a City page, and although it was done with a dig at FFP and City not paying mage mage bucks for superstars, for me it did show other points like ZZ still being up there. Another being what’s the biggest waste of money on that List.Has Pogba and Coutinho lived up to there big price tags.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Enough of the ffp already. Can we not just talk about Chelsea???
Swango1980
Well-known member
Chelsea were unlucky. VAR again (poor Alonso). Otherwise it could have been 3-3
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Bayern look like a very good team ,frightening pace up front and at the back.
They looked a yard faster than Chelsea.
Having said that Abraham would have had two tap ins if his movement was a bit better.
Keeper kept the score down, and I can’t see Chelsea getting anything over there.
They looked a yard faster than Chelsea.
Having said that Abraham would have had two tap ins if his movement was a bit better.
Keeper kept the score down, and I can’t see Chelsea getting anything over there.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Would be interesting to see them play against Liverpool or City
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Maguire at 13 is still hilarious.
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Dan2501
Tour Winner
That £615.2m has been spent wisely
That shows what we all already know, City, Chelsea, Utd and Liverpool spend massive amounts. Is that meant to be new news? Your argument is a little like the top teams in F1 complaining because one of them is spending that bit more. To the rest of the grid it is just laughable.
Let it go.
